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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;= [[OntologySummit2009]] Panel Session - &amp;quot;Toward Ontology-based Standards&amp;quot; -  Thu 26-Mar-2009  =&lt;br /&gt;
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== ''Subject'': Toward Ontology-based Standards - A Synthesis  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Session Chair: '''Dr. SteveRay''' (ISO 10303 STEP; ISO 18629 PSL) - Openning - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/OntologySummit2009_Synthesis-Panel-Intro-slides--SteveRay_20090326.ppt slides] ] &lt;br /&gt;
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Confirmed Panelists: &lt;br /&gt;
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* '''Mr. HowardMason''' (Chair, ISO TC184/SC4, BAE Systems plc, UK) - &amp;quot;Summary of our Standards Community Panel Session&amp;quot; - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/Summary-of-OntologySummit2009-StandardsPanel--HowardMason_20090326.ppt slides] ] &lt;br /&gt;
* '''Professor MichaelGruninger''' (University of Toronto, ISO 18629 PSL) - &amp;quot;Summary of our Ontology Community Panel Session&amp;quot; - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/Summary-of-OntologySummit2009-OntologiesPanel--MichaelGruninger_20090326.ppt slides] ] &lt;br /&gt;
* '''Mr. DavidConnelly''' (CEO, Open Applications Group, Inc. (OAGi)) - &amp;quot;Improving OAGIS with Ontologies&amp;quot; - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/Improving-OAGIS-with-Ontologies--DavidConnelly_20090326.ppt slides] ] &lt;br /&gt;
* '''Dr. KatherineGoodier''' ([[OpenOntologyRepository]] Initiative) - &amp;quot;Introducing the Open Ontology Repository (OOR) Use Cases Forum&amp;quot; - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/Introducing-the-OOR-Use-Cases-forum--KGoodier_20090326.ppt slides] ] &lt;br /&gt;
* '''Mr. DavidLeal''' (CAESAR Systems Limited) - &amp;quot;URI for quantities, units and scales&amp;quot; - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/URIs-for-quantities-units-and-scales--DavidLeal_20090326.ppt slides] ] &lt;br /&gt;
* '''Mr. NicolasFigay''' (EADS) - &amp;quot;STEP APs Formalization Suggestions&amp;quot; - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/STEP-APs-Formalization-Suggestion--NicolasFigay_20090326.ppt slides] ] &lt;br /&gt;
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=== Archives  ===&lt;br /&gt;
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* '''Our panel's prepared slides''' can be accessed by clicking on each of the [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/ title links] below: &lt;br /&gt;
** '''Slides: . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/OntologySummit2009_Synthesis-Panel-Intro-slides--SteveRay_20090326.ppt 0-Ray] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/Summary-of-OntologySummit2009-StandardsPanel--HowardMason_20090326.ppt 1-Mason] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/Summary-of-OntologySummit2009-OntologiesPanel--MichaelGruninger_20090326.ppt 2-Gruninger] ] .  [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/Improving-OAGIS-with-Ontologies--DavidConnelly_20090326.ppt 3-Connelly] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/Introducing-the-OOR-Use-Cases-forum--KGoodier_20090326.ppt 4-Goodier] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/URIs-for-quantities-units-and-scales--DavidLeal_20090326.ppt 5-Leal] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/STEP-APs-Formalization-Suggestion--NicolasFigay_20090326.ppt 6-Figay] ]''' &lt;br /&gt;
** '''[ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2009/OntologySummit2009_SynthesisPanel_20090326/OntologySummit2009-SynthesisPanel_20090326.mp3 Audio Recording of the session] ]''' (mp3) &lt;br /&gt;
** '''[ [[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|Transcript of the online chat session]] ]''' during the panel discussion '' &lt;br /&gt;
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=== [[MeetingsCalls|Conference Call]] Details  ===&lt;br /&gt;
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* Date: '''Thursday, Mar. 26, 2009''' &lt;br /&gt;
* Start Time: 10:30am PDT / 1:30pm EDT / 6:30pm CET / 17:30 UTC &lt;br /&gt;
** see [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=3&amp;amp;day=26&amp;amp;year=2009&amp;amp;hour=10&amp;amp;min=30&amp;amp;sec=0&amp;amp;p1=224 world clock] for other time zones &lt;br /&gt;
* Expected Call Duration: ~2.0 hours &lt;br /&gt;
* Dial-in Number: &lt;br /&gt;
** from a '''US telephone (US): +1-218-486-3600''' (domestic long distance cost will apply) &lt;br /&gt;
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** callers '''from other countries''' please dial into either one of the US or European numbers &lt;br /&gt;
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* '''Shared-screen support''' (VNC session), if applicable, will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/ &lt;br /&gt;
** view-only password: &amp;quot;ontolog&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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** people behind corporate firewalls may have difficulty accessing this. If that is the case, please download the '''[ slides above]''' and running them locally. The speaker(s) will prompt you to advance the slides during the talk. &lt;br /&gt;
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* '''Discussions and Q &amp;amp; A:''' &lt;br /&gt;
** (Unless the conference host has already muted everyone) '''Please mute your phone, by pressing &amp;quot;*2&amp;quot;''' on your phone keypad, when a presentation is in progress. '''To un-mute, press &amp;quot;*3&amp;quot;''' &lt;br /&gt;
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** thanks to the soaphub.org folks, one can now use a jabber/xmpp client (e.g. gtalk) to join this chatroom. Just add the room as a buddy - (in our case here) ontolog_20090326@soaphub.org ... Handy for mobile devices! &lt;br /&gt;
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* For those who cannot join us, or who have further questions or remarks on the topic, please post them to the [ [[OntologySummit2009|ontolog-summit]] ] listserv so that everyone in the community can benefit from the discourse. &lt;br /&gt;
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* Please review our Virtual Session Tips and Ground Rules - see: [[VirtualSpeakerSessionTips]] &lt;br /&gt;
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* '''RSVP''' ''to [mailto:peter.yim@cim3.com peter.yim@cim3.com] appreciated.'' &lt;br /&gt;
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* This session, like all other Ontolog events, is open to the public. Information relating to this session is shared on this wiki page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_03_26 &lt;br /&gt;
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* Please note that this session will be recorded, and the audio archive is expected to be made available as open content to our community membership and the public at-large under [[WikiHomePage#Intellectual_Property_Rights_.28IPR.29_Policy|our prevailing open IPR policy]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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== Attendees  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* Attended: &lt;br /&gt;
** [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&amp;amp;uuml;ninger]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[DavidConnelly|David Connelly]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[KatherineGoodier|Katherine Goodier]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[DavidLeal|David Leal]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[NicolasFigay|Nicolas Figay]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] &lt;br /&gt;
** Jerry Smith (DoD) &lt;br /&gt;
** [[MatthewHettinger|Matthew Hettinger]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]] &lt;br /&gt;
** Sylvere Krima (NIST) &lt;br /&gt;
** Xenia Fiorentini (NIST) &lt;br /&gt;
** Raphael Barbau (NIST) &lt;br /&gt;
** [[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[MichelleRaymond|Michelle Raymond]] &lt;br /&gt;
** Yildiray Kabak (METU; from AsumanDogac's team) &lt;br /&gt;
** [[GeraldRadack|Gerald Radack]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[KurtConrad|Kurt Conrad]] &lt;br /&gt;
** Frank Chum (Chevron) &lt;br /&gt;
** [[MikeAxelrod|Mike Axelrod]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[StuartTurner|Stuart Turner]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[TrishWhetzel|Trish Whetzel]] &lt;br /&gt;
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* Expecting: &lt;br /&gt;
** [[RexBrooks|Rex Brooks]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[DavidPrice|David Price]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[CameronRoss|Cameron Ross]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[AzamatAbdoullaev|Azamat Abdoullaev]] &lt;br /&gt;
*  &lt;br /&gt;
** ''... if you are coming to the session, please add your name above (plus your affiliation, if you aren't already a member of the community) above; or e-mail &amp;lt;peter.yim@cim3.com&amp;gt; so that we can reserve enough resources to support everyone's participation. ...'' &lt;br /&gt;
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* Regrets: &lt;br /&gt;
** [[LinePouchard|Line Pouchard]] &lt;br /&gt;
** [[ChristopherSpottiswoode|Christopher Spottiswoode]] (withdrew from the panel) &lt;br /&gt;
** [[EdDodds|Ed Dodds]] (will review the archives) &lt;br /&gt;
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=== Agenda Ideas  ===&lt;br /&gt;
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* Ideas for ontologized standards: &lt;br /&gt;
** Units of Measure or [[UnitsML]] with BIPM &lt;br /&gt;
** [[MathML]] &lt;br /&gt;
** ISO 15926 Matthew West &lt;br /&gt;
** ISO 10303-209 (structural analysis) David Leal &lt;br /&gt;
** OAG specs David Connelly &lt;br /&gt;
** Financial specs (MDDL, FIX, [[FpML]] etc. and ISO 20022) liaison via FISD DMWG with Bill Nichols &lt;br /&gt;
** Financial specs reverse engineering into semantics repository (EDM Council) - Mike Bennett liaising with above &lt;br /&gt;
** ISO 22745 ECCMA Open Technical Dictionary Gerry Radack &lt;br /&gt;
** ISO 19440 Enterprise model David Shorter &lt;br /&gt;
** Product properties - David Price &lt;br /&gt;
** Product structure - David Leal &lt;br /&gt;
** STEP APs (ARM+AIM+ARMAIMMappings+Modules+ConformanceClass or Options) - Nicolas Figay &lt;br /&gt;
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* ''( ... add ideas and suggestions here)'' &lt;br /&gt;
** Extensible Business Reporting Language (XBRL) Taxonomies &lt;br /&gt;
** Universal Data Element Framework - OpenGroup.org/udef &lt;br /&gt;
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=== Resources  ===&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[OntologySummit2009_StandardsAndOntologies]] &lt;br /&gt;
* [[OntologySummit2009_StandardsCommunityPerspectives]] &lt;br /&gt;
* [[OntologySummit2009_OntologyCommunityPerspectives]] &lt;br /&gt;
* [[OntologySummit2009_Communique/Draft]] &lt;br /&gt;
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== Agenda &amp;amp; Proceedings  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Agenda  ===&lt;br /&gt;
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* 1. Introduction - SteveRay. 5 minutes &lt;br /&gt;
* 2. Summary of panel session #1 - [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] (confirmed). 15 minutes &lt;br /&gt;
* 3. Summary of panel session #2 - [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&amp;amp;uuml;ninger]] (confirmed). 15 minutes &lt;br /&gt;
* 4. Suggestions from [[OAGi]] - [[DavidConnelly|David Connelly]] (confirmed). 5-10 minutes &lt;br /&gt;
* 5. Suggestions from OOR - [[KatherineGoodier|Katherine Goodier]] (confirmed). 5-10 minutes &lt;br /&gt;
* 6. A Units of Measure project - [[DavidLeal|David Leal]] (confirmed) 5-10 minutes &lt;br /&gt;
* 7. STEP APs Formalization Suggestions - [[NicolasFigay|Nicolas Figay]] 5-10 minutes &lt;br /&gt;
* 8. Discussion and compilation of a short list of future project ideas. 30 minutes &lt;br /&gt;
* 9. Discussion of the communique to be presented on April 7th. 10 minutes &lt;br /&gt;
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== Proceedings  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* please refer to the [[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|archives above]] &lt;br /&gt;
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== Q &amp;amp; A and Open Discussion  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* please refer to [[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|process above]] &lt;br /&gt;
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===IM Chat Transcript captured during the session=== ... ''(lightly edited for clarity)'' &lt;br /&gt;
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[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Welcome to the [[OntologySummit2009]] Panel Session - &amp;quot;Toward Ontology-based Standards&amp;quot; - Thu 26-Mar-2009 &lt;br /&gt;
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Subject: Toward Ontology-based Standards - A Synthesis    (1VOG) &lt;br /&gt;
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Session Chair: Dr. [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]] (ISO 10303 STEP; ISO 18629 PSL) - Openning &lt;br /&gt;
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Confirmed Panelists:    (1VCD) &lt;br /&gt;
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* Mr. [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] (Chair, ISO TC184/SC4, BAE Systems plc, UK) - &amp;quot;Summary of our Standards Community Panel Session&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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* Professor [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&amp;amp;uuml;ninger]] (University of Toronto, ISO 18629 PSL) - &amp;quot;Summary of our Ontology Community Panel Session&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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* Mr. [[DavidConnelly|David Connelly]] (CEO, Open Applications Group, Inc. (OAGi)) - &amp;quot;Improving OAGIS with Ontologies&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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* Dr. [[KatherineGoodier|Katherine Goodier]] ([[OpenOntologyRepository]] Initiative) - &amp;quot;Introducing the Open Ontology Repository (OOR) Use Cases Forum&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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* Mr. [[DavidLeal|David Leal]] (CAESAR Systems Limited) - &amp;quot;URI for quantities, units and scales&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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* Mr. [[NicolasFigay|Nicolas Figay]] (EADS) - &amp;quot;STEP APs Formalization Suggestions&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Please refer to session details at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_03_26&lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|YildirayKabak]]: Hi Peter, this is Yildiray Kabak. I'm assistant of Prof. [[AsumanDogac|Asuman Dogac]] &lt;br /&gt;
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anonymous morphed into [[MichelleRaymond|Michelle Raymond]] &lt;br /&gt;
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anonymous1 morphed into [[KurtConrad|Kurt Conrad]] &lt;br /&gt;
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anonymous morphed into [[KatherineGoodier|Katherine Goodier]] &lt;br /&gt;
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laurent morphed into laurent_oasis -&amp;gt; [[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]] &lt;br /&gt;
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[[NicolasFigay|Nicolas Figay]]: Re engineer existing standards is a good idea, as it appears from analysis and mapping exercise &lt;br /&gt;
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with ontology language that numerous ambiguities exist. Such exercise was done on AP224 and AP203 by EADS &lt;br /&gt;
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[[JoelBender|Joel Bender]]: EADS = European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company? &lt;br /&gt;
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[[NicolasFigay|Nicolas Figay]]: Good acronym for EADS &lt;br /&gt;
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[[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Another good example is the various standards in the financial space - MDDL, FIX, ISO 20022, [[FpML]], XBRL etc. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[NicolasFigay|Nicolas Figay]]: What about replacing &amp;quot;integration of standards&amp;quot; by &amp;quot;federation of standards&amp;quot;? &lt;br /&gt;
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anonymous morphed into [[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|YildirayKabak]] &lt;br /&gt;
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[[JoelBender|Joel Bender]]: integration and federation mean different things to IT folks. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: Energistics for Oil and Gas Industry standards &lt;br /&gt;
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[[NicolasFigay|Nicolas Figay]]: Integration and Federation is also different for system engineers - or for enterprise collaboration &lt;br /&gt;
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[[NicolasFigay|Nicolas Figay]]: Federation was here used for agregation of knowledge trunks formalized with heterogeneous language, at posteriori &lt;br /&gt;
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[[SteveRay|Steve Ray]]: David - we lost your voice. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: May need to call back in &lt;br /&gt;
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[[SteveRay|Steve Ray]]: OK. In the interests of time, I asked Katherine to talk about OOR, then I'll let you continue your talk. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[DavidConnelly|David Connelly]]: I am back in now &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: The Society of Petroleum Engineers is starting an Open Oilfield Ontology Repository. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[NicolasFigay|Nicolas Figay]]: Is this repository related to Reference Data Libraries POSC CAESAR? &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: Not particularly. The POSC CAESAR RDL is related to ISO 15926. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: The SPE initiative is inviting O&amp;amp;G companies and industry standards bodies to submit oilfield related ontologies to the repository. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: What I'm gathering from these very educational presentations like a good bridge between ontologies and standards &lt;br /&gt;
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are: the ability to use ontology technology to validate the consistency of standards -beyond test cases and assertions, &lt;br /&gt;
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this might to a new kind of formal validation system. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[NicolasFigay|Nicolas Figay]]: Yes - it  can be imagine with ontology language base on some logic &lt;br /&gt;
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[[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: I'm very intrigued with Open Oilfield &lt;br /&gt;
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[[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: Frank, we are creating at OASIS a member section called OASIS Blue &lt;br /&gt;
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[[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: Which is all about energy and sustainability &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: Laurent, good to know that. I'll look into it. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: http://www.oasis-open.org/resources/white-papers/blue/ &lt;br /&gt;
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[[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: The Member Section is forming and we definitely need ontology experts to make some of those future standards work. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: We also have the Conservation Commons on Board. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: Is there a link for Open OIlfield? &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: Maybe SPE initiative can join forces with what OASIS Blue &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: http://o4oil.org/o4oil.html &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|YildirayKabak]]: In OASIS SET TC we represented OAGIS Components and Fields through OWL. &lt;br /&gt;
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We also represented UBL and GS1 BIEs through OWL. With these ontologies and with the help of description logic reasoners &lt;br /&gt;
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and rule engines, we can find the relations among the semantically equivalent components, automatically. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[HowardMason|Howard Mason]]: You probably need to look at the Open O&amp;amp;M consortium and MIMOSA who are also active in operation of &lt;br /&gt;
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oil and gas plants through ISO TC 184/SC 5 (not SC 4) &lt;br /&gt;
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[[DavidConnelly|David Connelly]]: Wow, that is interesting &lt;br /&gt;
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[[DavidConnelly|David Connelly]]: maybe we should connect &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: Yes.  Refineries are connected to MIMOSA. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Good point about equations and [[MathML]]. There are also equations in financial securities but somewhat different to engineering equations. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: Upper ontology for financial securities? &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|YildirayKabak]]: Hi David, I will send you more details about our work tommorrow. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Indeed. For financial securities I have had to create temporary upper ontology stuff for math, geog, &lt;br /&gt;
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business, accounting, risk etc. all of which I would hope to find a more stable upper ontology to draw on. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[DavidConnelly|David Connelly]]: Thanks &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|YildirayKabak]]: Ok. Thank you. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[HowardMason|Howard Mason]]: You also need to note that the basic business transactions covering finance, order/invoice/pay, shipping are ALL becoming based on &lt;br /&gt;
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the ebXML Core Components - OASIS, SWIFT and [[OAGi]] are all involved alongside industry and regional initiatives &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: Using upper ontologies can be a challenge. Good best practices are needed to be shared. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: @ Howard - agreed. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: I resonate with Howard. Then again I would note that Nicolas has uttered one word (or rather a phrase): intelligent agent, &lt;br /&gt;
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that I think we are dancing around a bit. Is machine intelligence a can of worms? &lt;br /&gt;
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[[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: Let me qualify: &amp;quot;reasoning engine&amp;quot; is probably less contentious - thank you Nicolas. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[NicolasFigay|Nicolas Figay]]: Laurent is true, it is more reasoning engine. But some were also calling it intelligent agents - even if not appropriate. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: Semantic is the key for machine intelligence &lt;br /&gt;
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[[MichelleRaymond|Michelle Raymond]]: The agent's intelligence is not of issue. Focus should be on: 1) identification of 'input' available to the agent/engine &lt;br /&gt;
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and 'output' from the agent/engine, 2) the formal representation of the structure and content for 'input' and 'output' &lt;br /&gt;
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and 3) the place of the agent/engine in the &amp;quot;world&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: I am glad [[DavidConnelly|David Connelly]] brought up UN/CEFACT UCM in his presentation ... Scott Hinkelman (Acting Vice-chair of UN/CEFACT TMG &lt;br /&gt;
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and Chair for their Unified Context Methodology (UCM) Project) was presenting at the OASIS SET TC just yesterday. &lt;br /&gt;
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While &amp;quot;context&amp;quot; is, indeed, not a low-hanging fruit in what we are trying to do here, we should definitely try to start a dialog &lt;br /&gt;
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with their working group in earnest.&lt;br /&gt;
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... (I did suggest that to Scott, but maybe David could be our liaison, if you are already involved in that work) &lt;br /&gt;
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[[DavidConnelly|David Connelly]]: Peter, I am on that UCM Working Group with Scott, and would be glad to be a liaison &lt;br /&gt;
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[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: great! Thanks, David &lt;br /&gt;
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[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Just to provide the url to the OOR work that [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&amp;amp;uuml;ninger]] and  [[KatherineGoodier|Katherine Goodier]] brought up earlier &lt;br /&gt;
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- please see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OpenOntologyRepository &lt;br /&gt;
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[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: what's relevant is that the first public sandbox instance of the OOR is now online - see: http://oor-01.cim3.net/ &lt;br /&gt;
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[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: (further, re the OOR sandbox) if the eventuality is a federated repository of standards that are persistently &lt;br /&gt;
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available (on the web, probably) ... this could be one of the sandboxes that we can play around with those ideas &lt;br /&gt;
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... the OOR team will be maintaining at least a sandbox instance and a production instance of the OOR ... and is &lt;br /&gt;
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hoping to federate with any other organizations that are planning to host ontology repositories &lt;br /&gt;
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[[NicolasFigay|Nicolas Figay]]: The link of the experimental semantic repository, with extended AP as OWL resources: http://www.plm-interop.net/web/plminterop/semanticRepository &lt;br /&gt;
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anonymous morphed into  [[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|RaphaelBarbau]] &lt;br /&gt;
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[[StuartTurner|Stuart Turner]]: The licensing comment is an extremely important one and although &amp;quot;open source&amp;quot; is gaining traction, it applies &lt;br /&gt;
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to source code, not content. Encouraging use of open content licensure for creative works, including models, &lt;br /&gt;
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ontologies, documentation is so important (e.g. Creative Commons, Non-Commerical, Attribution, Share-Alike Unported). &lt;br /&gt;
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Fortunately, recent moves by NIH, and MIT and even PloS to not only encourage, but require this for academic research &lt;br /&gt;
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and publication is encouraging. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[SteveRay|Steve Ray]]: Thanks for attending. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[MichelleRaymond|Michelle Raymond]]: My desire is to see standards represented in formats that are machine interpretable and formats that facilitate human understanding. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: Terribly sorry, I have to drop off the call ... Urgent call from OASIS staff ... &lt;br /&gt;
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[[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: Thanks all! &lt;br /&gt;
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[[JoelBender|Joel Bender]]: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: Is the IEEE UOM upper ontology the same way? &lt;br /&gt;
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[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: @ [[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]] - quite a few of the IEEE SUO players are involved &lt;br /&gt;
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- the OOR scope covers *not only* upper ontologies, but also domain ontologies - see some earlier thougths in regard to &lt;br /&gt;
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moving &amp;quot;Toward An Open Ontology Repository&amp;quot; at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2008 &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: @Peter Thanks! &lt;br /&gt;
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[[DavidLeal|David Leal]]: Some work on the use of terms such as &amp;quot;should&amp;quot; in engineering has been done in Gellish - http://sourceforge.net/projects/gellish &lt;br /&gt;
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[[HowardMason|Howard Mason]]: While ISO seems to be fairly flexible in looking at new business models, the national standards bodies &lt;br /&gt;
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- ANSI, BSI, AFNOR, DIN are still wedded to publishing paper.  So even the new standards as databases approach &lt;br /&gt;
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offers different levels of access, with different models.  So definitions may be freely available, &lt;br /&gt;
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but other information may be subject to payment.  We need to ensure national bodies respond to the opportunity &lt;br /&gt;
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[[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: EDM council semantics repository project, aligns with the ones i mentioned &lt;br /&gt;
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[[DavidConnelly|David Connelly]]: OAGIS is doing the implementation verification for CCTS 3.0 &lt;br /&gt;
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[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: some work on &amp;quot;ontologizing&amp;quot; the UN/CEFACT CCTS by Ontolog members can be seen at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CctRepresentation &lt;br /&gt;
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[[DavidConnelly|David Connelly]]: Interesting Peter, have you started to look at CCTS 3.0 &lt;br /&gt;
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[[DavidConnelly|David Connelly]]: btw, Peter, OAGIS uses CCTS 2.01 in the standard now &lt;br /&gt;
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[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: @DavidConnelly - not quite ... that pilot project has (sort of) ended a long time ago ... with a response &lt;br /&gt;
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to the request for comments on CCTS v2.01 and suggested a dialog (which we haven't yet had) &lt;br /&gt;
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[[DavidConnelly|David Connelly]]: ok, thanks Peter &lt;br /&gt;
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[[JoelBender|Joel Bender]]: Thank you. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|FrankChum]]: Thank you all! &lt;br /&gt;
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[[ConferenceCall_2009_03_26|RaphaelBarbau]]: thank you! &lt;br /&gt;
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[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: great session ... thank you! &lt;br /&gt;
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[[DavidLeal|David Leal]]: Very interesting, thank you. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: To clarify on EDM Council, we took the existing XML and UML standards ISO 20022/ISO19312, MDDL, etc. as a start point &lt;br /&gt;
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to try and reverse engineer into some representation of semantics. We use a UML based OWL model (with some &lt;br /&gt;
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additional extensions) to provide somerhing for business experts to validate. We are talking closely &lt;br /&gt;
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with the above mentioned existing standards folks to try to reverse engineer rather than reinvent. &lt;br /&gt;
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This is all mid-way through happening now. &lt;br /&gt;
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