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| [[has date::24 Mar 2021 16:00 GMT]]
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| 9:00am PDT/12:00pm EDT
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| 4:00pm GMT/5:00pm CET
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| [[convener::KenBaclawski]]
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= [[OntologySummit2021|Ontology Summit 2021]] {{#show:{{PAGENAME}}|?Session}} =
{{:OntologySummit2021/Description}}

== Agenda ==
* 12:00 - 12:45 EDT '''[[JohnSowa|John Sowa]]''' ''Automated and semi-automated methods for developing and using ontologies'' [https://bit.ly/2P3ciLB Slides] [https://bit.ly/3lLLCuV Video Recording]
* 12:45 - 13:00 EDT '''[[ArunMajumdar|Arun Majumdar]]''' ''Ontology from Graph Signal Processing'' [https://bit.ly/3tS4T0w Slides] [https://bit.ly/3rnWss2 Video Recording]
* 13:00 - 13:30 EST Discussion [https://bit.ly/3vX1q2w Video Recording]

== Conference Call Information ==
* Date: '''Wednesday, 24 Mar 2021'''
* Start Time: 9:00am PDT / 12:00pm EDT / 5:00pm CET / 4:00pm GMT / 1600 UTC
** Ref: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=03&day=24&year=2021&hour=12&min=00&sec=0&p1=179 World Clock]
** Note: The US and Canada are on Daylight Saving Time while Europe has not yet changed.
* Expected Call Duration: 1.5 hours
{{:OntologySummit2021/ConferenceCallInformation}}

== Attendees ==
* [[AlexShkotin|Alex Shkotin]]
* [[AndreaWesterinen|Andrea Westerinen]]
* [[AnettHoppe|Anett Hoppe]]
* [[Arun Majumdar|Arun Majumdar]]
* [[BruceSchuman|Bruce Schuman]]
* [[CassiopeiaMiles|Cassiopeia Miles]]
* [[Claudio Masolo|Claudio Masolo]]
* [[CoraSowa|Cora Sowa]]
* [[DaveWhitten|Dave Whitten]]
* [[DominiqueBlouin|Dominique Blouin]]
* [[DougHolmes|Doug Holmes]]
* [[DouglasRMiles|Douglas R Miles]]
* [[EmilioSanfilippo|Emilio Sanfilippo]]
* [[GaryBergCross|Gary Berg-Cross]]
* [[JackPark|Jack Park]]
* [[JanetSinger|Janet Singer]]
* [[JanetteWong|Janette Wong]]
* [[JohnSowa|John Sowa]]
* [[KenBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]]
* [[MarcAntoineParent|Marc-Antoine Parent]]
* [[MikeRiben|Mike Riben]]
* [[NancyWiegand|Nancy Wiegand]]
* [[NuriaQueraltRosinach|Nuria Queralt Rosinach]]
* [[PaulTyson|Paul Tyson]]
* [[PeteRivett|Pete Rivett]]
* [[RakshitMittal|Rakshit Mittal]]
* [[RamSriram|Ram D. Sriram]]
* [[RaviSharma|Ravi Sharma]]
* [[RobertRovetto|Robert Rovetto]]
* [[RussellReinsch|Russell Reinsch]]
* [[SeanGordon|Sean Gordon]]
* [[SeanMcWillie|Sean McWillie]]
* [[TerryLongstreth|Terry Longstreth]]
* [[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]
* [[TomTinsley|Tom Tinsley]]
* Yolaine
* [[YuanAn|Yuan An]]

== Discussion ==
[12:11] Gary Berg-Cross: John said that everyone is using NL (to communicate) which is certainly important. However, I would add that everyone is also using a group of mental models, which massively includes our background and unconscious knowledge.

[12:18] Gary Berg-Cross: The quote is from Terry Rankin, not Raskin. He said that any one of those tools, by itself, is a tremendous aid to productivity, but any two of them together will kill you. In other words, we have "Tool exhaustion".

[12:30] ToddSchneider: Are 'thematic roles' (in Existential Graphs) similar, or equivalent, to Guizzardi's Relators?

[12:48] janet singer: Questions for John: As you have pointed out, splitting linguistics into syntactics, semantics & pragmatics was introduced by Charles Morris loosely based on the work of Peirce. What does it mean to try establish a Semantic Web apart from a Pragmatic Web? Would it be better to ditch Morris's categories and go back to Pierce's full view of sign relations to develop tools for a Semiotic Web?

[12:50] RaviSharma: Arun Welcome

[12:51] janet singer: In other words, a Semantic Web would just be a fragment of the Morris categories, which themselves are a watered down (and distorted) version of Peirce

[13:06] RaviSharma: Ken - Please ask Arun to slightly expand on his slide on radar.

[13:08] Ken Baclawski: @Ravi: There were several slides that mentioned radar, could you be more specific?

[13:12] RaviSharma: Arun mentioned that we can connect with him on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/arun-majumdar-8a555336/

[13:13] RaviSharma: @Ken - any that are after the first while they are speaking unless you will send them to us later?

[13:13] Douglas R. Miles: Arun, how to you choose the 22 columns and rows?

[13:15] janet singer: Question for Arun: Is your work related/relatable to DisCoCat QNLP (Categorical compositional distributional semantics Quantum Natural Language Processing), quantum-inspired, and expected

[13:16] janet singer: It benefits from implementation on a quantum computer.

[13:17] RaviSharma: Arun, is there a semantic profile change in your slide before and after the events such as Hitler or Osama what are you trying to show? What aspect of semantic or neuro semantic meaning?

[13:26] RaviSharma: Arun - I am reviewing your work on Quantum AI/ML in neuro semantics.

[13:26] RaviSharma: Why the word Quantum?

[13:28] RaviSharma: Are you using quantum in digital packets or patterns (discrete) sense?

[13:29] RaviSharma: Quantum theory as a mathematical tool is probably different than that in Particle wave physics!

[13:29] TerryLongstreth: Have to leave. This has all been very fascinating, wish I could stay longer.

[13:30] RaviSharma: But connecting it to cognitive mind is even more challenging! It is very challenging for physicist?

[13:30] RaviSharma: Arun mentioned JHU and Carnegie connection, important to learn more about.

[13:32] janet singer: This is the book Arun recommended https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/picturing-quantum-processes/1119568B3101F3A685BE832FEEC53E52

[13:32] Jack Park: https://www.gdeltproject.org/

[13:33] RaviSharma: are you only using computer type digital patterns bet graphs and quantum effects? or the meaning also?

[13:36] janet singer: Here's some pre-publication material that Coecke made available https://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/ss2014/programme/Bob.pdf

[13:36] RaviSharma: State transitions have corresponding physics such as change in electron orbit and it has semantic in the phenomena about electrons but in neuro semantics how will you relate It?

[13:36] Robert Rovetto: I have a pdf of the book; it's interesting, very visual.

[13:37] janet singer: Great field to get into as Arun said.

[13:38] RaviSharma: But like clustering we do not know a priori which cluster belongs to what resources?

[13:39] RaviSharma: Similarly Quantum state transition has to relate to a phenomena such as tunneling is imp for materials and superconductivity but how can we relate it to semantics?

[13:40] Jack Park: @Robert where did you find the pdf?

[13:41] janet singer: Very promising new general model of meaning inspired by QM, and there seems to be financial support because promise of quantum computing is of interest

[13:41] Marc-Antoine Parent: Thank you very much!

[13:41] RaviSharma: Ken Many thanks

[13:41] Cas Miles: Thank you all so much!

[13:42] RaviSharma: John and Arun many thanks for an exciting presentation, logic and explanations, again thanks

[13:42] RaviSharma: Janet and Todd great Qs and also from other colleagues.

== Resources ==
* '''[[JohnSowa|John Sowa]]''' ''Automated and semi-automated methods for developing and using ontologies'' [https://bit.ly/2P3ciLB Slides] [https://bit.ly/3lLLCuV Video Recording]
* '''[[ArunMajumdar|Arun Majumdar]]''' ''Ontology from Graph Signal Processing'' [https://bit.ly/3tS4T0w Slides] [https://bit.ly/3rnWss2 Video Recording]
* Discussion [https://bit.ly/3vX1q2w Video Recording]

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