<?xml version="1.0"?>
<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xml:lang="en">
	<id>https://ontologforum.com/index.php?action=history&amp;feed=atom&amp;title=ConstructingAFoundationOntology</id>
	<title>ConstructingAFoundationOntology - Revision history</title>
	<link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="https://ontologforum.com/index.php?action=history&amp;feed=atom&amp;title=ConstructingAFoundationOntology"/>
	<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://ontologforum.com/index.php?title=ConstructingAFoundationOntology&amp;action=history"/>
	<updated>2026-04-23T05:37:04Z</updated>
	<subtitle>Revision history for this page on the wiki</subtitle>
	<generator>MediaWiki 1.39.0</generator>
	<entry>
		<id>https://ontologforum.com/index.php?title=ConstructingAFoundationOntology&amp;diff=1303&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>imported&gt;Ronatartifact: Extracted Mike Bennet's e-mail Last updated at: 2009-01-22 05:57:27 By user: Ronatartifact</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://ontologforum.com/index.php?title=ConstructingAFoundationOntology&amp;diff=1303&amp;oldid=prev"/>
		<updated>2013-04-26T04:02:39Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Extracted Mike Bennet&amp;#039;s e-mail Last updated at: 2009-01-22 05:57:27 By user: Ronatartifact&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Introduction  ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Where the action and the benefit is, as I see it, is in having something &lt;br /&gt;
that existing standards bodies (both industry standards bodies and ISO) &lt;br /&gt;
can use. Many of the standards groups have been using XML, and then UML, &lt;br /&gt;
and are starting to recognise that meaning is the problem not &lt;br /&gt;
technology. So there are plenty of examples, both as industry consortia &lt;br /&gt;
and ISO committees (and ISO has a mechanism for industry bodies as well &lt;br /&gt;
as countries to be involved in standards setting). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== History  ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If the financial industry is anything to go by (and I think it is), we &lt;br /&gt;
have industry groups, all of whom are also engaged with the ISO process. &lt;br /&gt;
Some standards have a message syntax but no business representation of &lt;br /&gt;
what is in the messages, and don't see this as a problem. Others have a &lt;br /&gt;
message or logical data representation but no business representation of &lt;br /&gt;
semantics, and /do/ see it as a problem. Business data managers are &lt;br /&gt;
starting to ask questions about what the techies have been doing in the &lt;br /&gt;
standards world and why they haven't delivered something useful and &lt;br /&gt;
maintainable in many cases. People are starting to recognise semantics &lt;br /&gt;
as a vital component of business requirements. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Alternatives  ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The opportunity is not to (a) create some giant consortium to go out &lt;br /&gt;
and map the world's semantics for them, or (b) get Congress (or &lt;br /&gt;
Parliament or Duma or Knesset or Loyal Jirga or Althing) to vote &lt;br /&gt;
billions of dollars for us all have fun doing it. Sorry to pop those &lt;br /&gt;
particular bubbles. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The Way Forward  ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Where we can have fun and do something useful as I see it is: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1. Show some leadership in helping industry bodies to capture and model &lt;br /&gt;
their business semantics in ways which are complete, logically &lt;br /&gt;
consistent and can be owned, reviewed and updated by business SMEs (but: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1a. given that OWL and so on don't really meet that requirement,  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
figure out a useful answer before the inustry bodies get bored and move &lt;br /&gt;
away - currently they think OWL is it because this is the hot new thing &lt;br /&gt;
in buzzword heaven);&lt;br /&gt;
2. Deal with the common terms that form the simple semantic building &lt;br /&gt;
blocks that those different industry groups might want to build &lt;br /&gt;
semantics from, for example financial building blocks (use XBRL - no &lt;br /&gt;
question), maths terms, country, currency, all that simple stuff. Also &lt;br /&gt;
common things like risk, payment, liability etc. that form the basic &lt;br /&gt;
terms that any business entity has to relate to. Like &amp;quot;business entity&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Granted that (2) reignites the &amp;quot;primitives&amp;quot; debate which isn't my &lt;br /&gt;
intention here, but I do think that the SUMO ontology splits too early &lt;br /&gt;
into industry verticals. As an example, to define financial instruments, &lt;br /&gt;
one wants to use the basic concepts of contracts, contractual terms &lt;br /&gt;
(which are a set of contractual clauses, and therefore a set), &lt;br /&gt;
jurisdiction, equity (financial), debt (financial), cash flows, &lt;br /&gt;
schedules (events + time), variable parameters (for interest rates, &lt;br /&gt;
indices) etc. etc. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Desired Outcome  ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If we can work out how to help with these two simple tasks, and help &lt;br /&gt;
develop and improve the standards to accommodate 1a (for example I've &lt;br /&gt;
been using an OWL-based thing but I've added the concept of archetypes, &lt;br /&gt;
renamed everything in English, and output it in in diagrams and &lt;br /&gt;
spreadsheets - surely OWL can be extended in these ways), then we will &lt;br /&gt;
have something useful to offer which industry bodies in the different &lt;br /&gt;
industry sectors might be able to cobble together a few grand to do. &lt;br /&gt;
This is what I have been doing in the financial industry - through a &lt;br /&gt;
US-based global industry body called the Enterprise Data Management &lt;br /&gt;
Council, who tentatively found just enough money to keep me alive and &lt;br /&gt;
dry while I had a go at putting something together. Assuming it works &lt;br /&gt;
and and be shown to add value, we can keep this up without ever having &lt;br /&gt;
to ask Congress to scrape together a few billion for us to keep body and &lt;br /&gt;
soul together  :-)  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Project]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>imported&gt;Ronatartifact</name></author>
	</entry>
</feed>