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= [[UoM_Ontology_Standard]] draft deliverable preview session - Thu 22-Oct-2009 =

This is a preparation session for our [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard/Workshop_2009_10_30 upcoming 30-October-2009 workshop]. We expect to preview the draft deliverables that the various champions have put together so far, surface specific issues that may be hampering the drafting work, and do some preliminary alignment, in preparation for a more in-depth discussion during the 30-Oct-2009 full-day workshop.

* ''Session Chair'': '''Dr. FrankOlken''' (NSF) & '''Mr. EdwardBarkmeyer''' (NIST)

* ''Briefings from'':
** '''Mr. EdwardBarkmeyer''' -- (1) Scope Statement (draft); (2) [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_English_draft]]
** '''Mr. DavidLeal''' - [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_UML_Model_draft]] ''(in absentia)''
** '''Dr. [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]] & Dr. JamesMasters''' -- [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_OWL_draft]]
** '''Dr. PatHayes''' -- [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_CLIF_draft]]
** '''Mr. HowardMason''' -- [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_OASIS_TC_Charter_draft]]
** '''Mr. [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]] & Mr. PeterYim''' -- Workplan (draft) - [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-standard-ontology_20091022/Trac-Motivation-and-Status--JoelBender_20091022.pdf slides] ]

=== Archives ===

* '''[ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-standard-ontology_20091022/UoM-F2F-Workshop-Prep_20091022b.mp3 Audio Recording of the session] ]''' (mp3) ... ''(working-in-progress version''
* '''[ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2009_10_22#nid22P4 Transcript of the online chat session] ]''' during the panel discussion ... ''coming!''
* additional '''[ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2009_10_22#nid22NY Resources] ]''' and follow-up

=== [[MeetingsCalls|Conference Call]] Details ===

* Date: '''Thursday, 22-October-2009 '''
* Start Time: 10:30am PDT / 1:30pm EDT / 7:30pm CEST / 6:30pm BST / 17:30 UTC
** see [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=10&day=22&year=2008&hour=10&min=30&sec=0&p1=224 world clock] for other time zones
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* '''Discussions and Q & A:'''
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** thanks to the soaphub.org folks, one can now use a jabber/xmpp client (e.g. gtalk) to join this chatroom. Just add the room as a buddy - (in our case here) ontolog_20091022@soaphub.org ... Handy for mobile devices!

* For those who cannot join us, or who have further questions or remarks on the topic, please post them to the [ [[UoM_Ontology_Standard|uom-ontology-std]] ] listserv so that everyone in the community can benefit from the discourse.

* Please review our Virtual Session Tips and Ground Rules - see: [[VirtualSpeakerSessionTips]]

* '''RSVP''' ''to [mailto:peter.yim@cim3.com peter.yim@cim3.com] appreciated.''

* This session, like all other Ontolog events, is open to the public. Information relating to this session is shared on this wiki page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2009_10_22

* Please note that this session will be recorded, and the audio archive, as well as all proceeedings are expected to be made available as open content to our community membership and the public at-large under [[WikiHomePage#Intellectual_Property_Rights_.28IPR.29_Policy|our prevailing open IPR policy]].

=== Resources ===

* '''UoM Working Group''':
** Wiki workspace: [[UoM_Ontology_Standard]] & [[UoM]]
** Mailing List:
*** message archive is at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/uom-ontology-std/
*** to join the list, send a blank email from your subscribing address to <uom-ontology-std-join [at] ontolog.cim3.net> and then follow the instructions emailed to you from the system (make sure that message doesn't get caught by your spam filter, though.)
** Coordination: [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/GettingOrganized]]
** shared file repository: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/
** Version controlled (subversion) file repository and Issue tracking (Trac) workspace - http://uom.emcs.cornell.edu/
* [[UoM]] virtual panel session 2009.06.19 - ConferenceCall_2009_06_19
* [[UoM]] virtual panel session 2009.06.19 - ConferenceCall_2009_09_24
* [[OntologySummit2009]]
** [[OntologySummit2009_Communique]]
** FrankOlken's talk during the [[OntologySummit2009_Symposium]] on "[[OntologySummit2009_Symposium|Quantities and Units of Measure]]" as a candidate ontology-based standard we can work on
* Earlier discussion:
** thread starting from: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2009-06/msg00005.html
** thread starting from: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2009-05/msg00000.html
*** continuing from: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2009-05/msg00038.html
*** and: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2009-05/msg00062.html
* upload your [[UoM]] ontologies to the [[OOR]]-sandbox at: http://oor-01.cim3.net

== Attendees ==

* Attended:
** [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]]
** [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]]
** [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]
** [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]]
** [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]]
** [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]] (co-chair)
** [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]] (co-chair)

* Expecting:
** [[DavidPrice|David Price]]
** [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]]
** [[BobbinTeegarden|Bobbin Teegarden]]
*
** ''... if you are coming to the session, please add your name above (plus your affiliation, if you aren't already a member of the community) above; or e-mail <peter.yim@cim3.com> so that we can reserve enough resources to support everyone's participation. ...''

* Regrets:
** [[DavidLeal|David Leal]]
** [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]]

== Agenda & Proceedings ==

=== Agenda ===

1. Opening by session Chair -- [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]] / [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]]

2. Briefings from deliverable champions -- [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]], [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]] / [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]], [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]], [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]], [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]] / [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]

3. Q & A and Open Discussion (All) -- please refer to [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2009_10_22#nid22NK process above]

4. Action Items and Conclusion -- [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]] / [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]]

== Proceedings ==

Please refer to the [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2009_10_22#nid22MR archives above]

===IM Chat Transcript captured during the session===

[[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]]: I expect we will use the same teleconferencing facilities as

usual on Oct. 30. Our audio tech will call into the teleconference

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: great, ... thanks, Frank

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Howard: note: maintenance agency ... registration authority

[[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]]: I think we want a maintenance agency (which has

discretionary authority to approve new derived units).

[[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]]: I think the maintenance agency should be something like

NIST.

[[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]]: 1. Should we have a quantity model? Seems to be a majority

agreeing that this is needed. 2. Explicit named units and Q. kinds? We

can't do them all, how many will we do and what do we do about the

others? Eg how do we relate to the UCM list? [Peter: maintenance issue

arises when normative standard is formal. Who adds items to

namespace/base?][Ed: yes, needs an authority or tool which can handle

this. Not impossible and needs to be done. Certainly a scope

issue.][Frank: exist 2 things. Extensions which are derived units,

should be automatic. But also, new named units like 'watts'.] <<much

discussion about mechanisms for administration and registration, etc..

ISO and OASIS both have various mechanisms...>>

[[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]]: Should have said, I was scribing Ed's speech above.

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: thanks, Pat

[[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]]: Ed: quantity kinds more promiscuous than units. Do we needs

*kinds* of quantity kinds? Need to choose a level to stop publishing,

this is unbounded in extent.

[[JoelBender|Joel Bender]]: Is 'scale' a 'derived unit'?"

[[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]]: Ed: scales. Email discussions went nowhere. Do we have scales

as part of the ontology? Unit conversions also an issue (4 so far).

Other issues further out: uncertainty, tolerance. But these are v.

complicated to do 'propoerly'. Do we need to handle these at all, if

only crudely? Chips (eg) does, but its about measurement. Do we want to

go this way?

[[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]]: Joel: I don't think so.

[[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]]: Ed: measurement is big area, need to bring other organizations

in if we go there, eg UK NPL. Probably can't do it all, but also not

completely omit.

[[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]]: Howard: need to consider target market for our ontology, to

focus discussion. XXphilosophy..

[[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]]: Ed: priorities. We need to have a time limit, so some things

are prunable. Final point: microtheories: not all extensions are

mutually compatible, possibly. Up to us to provde guidelines for this

situation.

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]]: OMG QUDV

[[SteveRay|Steve Ray]]: Sorry, had to run to another meeting...

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Ed will make an attempt to invite the QUDV leads,

Roger Burkhart (John Deere) & [[NicolasRouquette|Nicolas Rouquette]] JPL) to join us on Oct-30

[[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]]: Scope: assume quantity, quantity kind, SI named units,

scales, conversion are in, measurement and uncertainty, specification

and tolerance are less clear, it depends on our target audience and use,

available expertise and time.

[[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]]: Big issue is extension: how to deal with the infinite list

of quantity kinds and the very large list of derived units.

[[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]]: Pat: UML may be all that many will understand, OWL will be

definitive for the Sem Web folk, CLIF is really the hard form for people

committed to axiomatic definition and FOL reasoners.

[[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]]: Pat: there are other reasons to use CLIF -- it allows

simpler consistent formulations of some complex notions

[[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]]: Frank and Pat discussed concerns about the arithmetic, use

of functions like sine or square root. Pat: we want to stay away from

floating point and arithmetic error.

[[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]]: The OWL folk have defined the datatype to be xsd:double,

i.e., IEEE 754 numbers.

[[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]]: Pat: we want to assume mathematically exact numbers and

avoid computational issues. Yes, actual uses may have some problems if

the values and computations exercise the fringes of the computational

behaviors. (Ed: the common problem is just that decimal fractions (the

heart of metric) don't have exact binary renditions.)

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Howard: sending our draft TC charter to Jamie and inviting him

to do a 5 min. OASIS-101

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: @Howard - please consider the proposal of "QUoM" (as an

alternative to "QUOMOS")

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Joel: workplan slides -

http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-standard-ontology_20091022/Trac-Motivation-and-Status--JoelBender_20091022.pdf

[[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]]: I also have to leave for another call. Peter, email me if you

have any, er, tickets for me.

[[JoelBender|Joel Bender]]:

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard_OASIS_TC_Charter_Draft#nid22D2

[[JoelBender|Joel Bender]]: thank you

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: ref. getting buy-in from the standard bearers (e.g. BIPM) -

Steve & Howard making advances on those fronts; Ed feels we will be more

ready when we have a draft standard; Pat suggest using the now popular

notion of "Linked Data" to position ourselves

[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: great meeting, thanks, everyone

-- session ended: 2009.10.22-12:27pm PDT --

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