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= [[UoM_Ontology_Standard]]: Getting Organized  =

''This is a scratch workspace for the coordination and planning of the [[UoM_Ontology_Standard]] work.'' 

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== Notes on the Mon 2010.01.04-11:00am EST conference call  ==

Conference call details: 

* Date / Start time: Monday 2010.01.04 - 11:00am EST / 8:00am PST / 5:00pm CET / 4:00pm GMT / 16:00 UTC 
** ref. [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=4&year=2010&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 world clock] 
** Expected Duration: 1.0~1.5 hr. 
* Dial-in No.  (US) +1-218-844-8060; (UK) 0844-581-9148; (France) 0826-100-280; 01805-00-7642; (please call one of the numbers above if a local number is not available at your country) 
* Conference ID: "4389979#" 
* Attendees: [[DavidLeal|David Leal]], [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]], [[JerrySmith|Jerry Smith]], [[CharlesEhrlich|Charles Ehrlich]], [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]], [[PeteNielsen|Pete Nielsen]], [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]], [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]], [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]], [[JamieClark]], [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]], [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]], 
** Regrets: (missing) [[HansPeter_de_Koning]], [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]], [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]], [[DavidPrice|David Price]], [[GuntherSchadow|Gunther Schadow]], [[LinZhang|Lin Zhang]] (optional) 

=== Notes for the Call: [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20100104/UoM-org_ConfCall_20100104b.mp3 audio archive] ]  ===

* getting ready for the next community session (coming Thursday Jan-7) - [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2010_01_07]] 
** thanks, Steve, for successfully inviting [[ChuckEhrlich|Chuck Ehrlich]] to join us on the panel that day ... Welcome, Chuck! 
** Jan-7 Session chair: [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] 
** Panelists: [[CharlesEhrlich|Charles Ehrlich]] (20 min., personal perspectives, historical context, ...), [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]], [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]], [[HansPeter_de_Koning]], [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]], [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]], [[DavidLeal|David Leal]],  ... ? 
** Who has slides? Howard (opening, prep TC), Ed (scope), Chuck (historical context) ... and possibly Pat, <nowiki>HansPeter</nowiki>, Rob, Chip, [[DavidLeal|David Leal]] (panel: technical discussion),  ... 
*** slides due end-of-day Wed Jan-6 (please email slide deck to [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] & PeterYim) 

* preparing for the Jan-21 first OASIS QUOMOS TC conference call 
** thoughts and follow-ups on "getting the word out" 

* Progress/status review from deliverable champions - ''(deferred to the Jan-7 community session)'' 
** [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]] - see preliminary notes at: [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_CLIF_Draft]] ... and like to discuss: 
*** 1. I've introduced a new idea into the ontology, of 'measurement event', to try to deal with the VIM meta-issue of whether 'real quantities' exist and the ubiquity or otherwise of errors and estimates. I'd like to outline the motivation for this and get feedback, especially negative. 
*** 2. So far, I can see no rational way to distinguish the concepts of [dimension] and [quantity kind], and so propose to identify them (ie treat these as synonyms.) Again, I would like feedback/discussion, especially negative. 

* Any other business: 
** Everyone on this team who still isn't registered as the QUOMOS TC member roster (members only: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/quomos/members/roster.php) yet should do so ASAP (one is supposed to be registered by Jan-14 to vote on Jan-21) 
*** http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-invitation/2009-12/msg00002.html 
** Peter will send out the regular [ontolog-invitation] to the community 
*** after that, Steve will ping [[HansPeter_de_Koning]], [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]], [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]], to make sure they can come 
*** Jamie will make a post to let everyone know the proper contact at OASIS to get membership issues clarified or resolved 

* Next Meeting: 
** the upcoming open community session (Thursday Jan-7) - [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2010_01_07]] 
** we will not be meeting again Mon 2010.01.11, unless otherwise announced (based on actual needs) 
** further work (and meetings) on this will then be under the OASIS QUOMOS TC setting - starting from the "first QUOMOS TC meeting" of Thu 2010.01.21 
** Frank will be less available for meetings in March and early April 

* Call adjourned: 9:27 am PST 

* Audio archive: is [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20100104/UoM-org_ConfCall_20100104b.mp3 here] (mp3, 1:22:14, 6.4MB) 

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== Notes on the Mon 2009.12.14 EST conference call  ==

Conference call details: 

* Date / Start time: Monday 2009.12.14 - 11:00am EST / 8:00am PST / 5:00pm CET / 4:00pm GMT / 16:00 UTC 
** ref. [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=12&day=14&year=2009&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 world clock] 
** Expected Duration: 1.0~1.5 hr. 
* Dial-in No.  (US) +1-218-844-8060; (UK) 0844-581-9148; (France) 0826-100-280; 01805-00-7642; (please call one of the numbers above if a local number is not available at your country) 
* Conference ID: "4389979#" 
* Expected Attendees: [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] (chair), [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] (scribe), [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]], [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]], [[JerrySmith|Jerry Smith]], [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]], [[JamieClark]], 
** Regrets: [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]], [[HansPeter_de_Koning]], [[LinZhang|Lin Zhang]] (optional) ... (missing) [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]], [[DavidLeal|David Leal]], [[DavidPrice|David Price]], [[GuntherSchadow|Gunther Schadow]], [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]], [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]], 

=== Notes for the Call: [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091214/UoM-org_ConfCall_20091214b.mp3 audio archive] ]  ===

* Review and adopt agenda 

* Report on the [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard/GettingOrganized#nid24K9 OASIS QUOMOS TC proposer call] of Thu 2009.12.10 [Howard] 
** Ref. OASIS QUOMOS TC homepage - http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/quomos/index.php - ''(members only)'' 

* The OASIS Call for Participation of the QUOMOS TC has been announced (on Fri 2009.12.11) 
** ref. http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/200912/msg00000.html and also http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-invitation/2009-12/msg00002.html 
** the first OASIS QUOMOS TC meeting will be held on Thu 2010.01.21, 2-hour meeting starting 10:30am PST / 1:30pm EST / 7:30pm CET / 6:30pm GMT / 18:30 UTC 
** Note that those who are not yet OASIS members (or whose company is already an OASIS member but needs to get appointment from their company to this work) should make membership arrangements ASAP 
** those who want to be a voting member need to have joined the QUOMOS TC by Thu 2009.01.14 
** any other preparation for the First QUOMOS TC Meeting? 
*** Confirmation of call-in details - we will continue to use the Ontolog conference infrastructure; Howard will advise [[MaryMcRae]] 
*** Proposed agenda for first meeting 

1. Roll call to determine TC membership.  To become a member at the first meeting, you must: 

* be eligible, i.e. be an employee of an OASIS member organization or an Individual member of OASIS; 

* have notified the chair of the person's intent to participate 7 days before the first meeting; and 

* attended the first meeting 

2. Election of chair - from nominations made by Voting members 

* (Convenor hands over to new Chair) 

3. Review of OASIS TC process, IPR policy and PR policy 

4. Review of TC charter (statement of purpose, goals, deliverables, schedule, etc.). 

* Clarification of charter 

* Method of working 

5. Vote on any standing rules for the TC 

* Electronic submission of motions to open ballots 

6. Appointment of officers - volunteers appreciated 

* secretary 

* webmaster 

* liaisons with other applicable standards groups or OASIS TCs 

7. Discussion and acceptance of contributed work 

8. Definition of work programme 

9. Requirements for web site 

* Overview 

* FAQ 

10. Future meeting schedule, hosts 

* Discussion: 
** Candidacy for officer positions of the QUOMOS TC 
*** [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]] and [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]] both considering their candidacy for the chair 
**** Howard: can have a max of two co-chair 
*** [[JerrySmith|Jerry Smith]] is considering his candidacy for the secretary position 
** Time for TC call: 
*** Howard: if we have a whole range of folks from Asia, Europe and US, one time that is least inconvenient could be 1:00 GMT 
** Jamie: we may not need to achieve a whole lot during the first call 

* Progress/status review from deliverable champions ... and discussion: - ''(discussion deferred)'' 
** [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]] (champion and editor for the (natural language) draft standard) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_English_draft]] 
*** a Table of Content first, possibly? 
** [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]] (champion and editor for the CLIF ontology) 
*** ref.[[UoM_Ontology_Standard_CLIF_draft]] 
** [[HansPeter_de_Koning]] + [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]] + [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]] (co-champions and co-editors for the OWL ontology) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_OWL_draft]] 
** [[DavidLeal|David Leal]] (champion and editor for the UML model) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_UML_Model_draft]] 

* Any preparation necessary for the next community session - [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2010_01_07]] 
** suggestion: getting the BIPM (Steve will work on this) & BS (Howard will work on this) folks more involved ... like, 
*** present on the 2010.01.07 session 
*** participate in the QUOMOS TC work and be liaisons 
** this will probably be the last of the Ontolog working group/community meeting ... all work from the group will be donated to (and continued under the auspices of the) QUOMOS TC 
** [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] will chair this session 
** Main Agenda: 
*** broadcast the impending establishment of the OASIS QUOMOS TC 
*** engage other SDO folks (BIPM, BS, etc.) and interest them to join QUOMOS TC as liaisons 
*** progress review of the [[UoM_Ontology_Standard]] working group deliverables 
*** officially handover the work of the [[UoM_Ontology_Standard]] working group to OASIS for the emerging QUOMOS TC 

* Any other business 

* Next Meeting: 
** our next weekly coordination meeting on Mon 2010.01.04, same time - call details [ here] 
*** Steve will be driving during that time, but will try to call in 

* Call adjourned: 8:56 am PST 

* Audio archive: is [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091214/UoM-org_ConfCall_20091214b.mp3 here] (mp3, 0:49:24, 5.7 MB) 

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== Notes on the Mon 2009.12.07-11:00am EST conference call  ==

Conference call details: 

* Date / Start time: Monday 2009.12.07 - 11:00am EST / 8:00am PST / 5:00pm CET / 4:00pm GMT / 16:00 UTC 
** ref. [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=12&day=7&year=2009&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 world clock] 
** Expected Duration: 1.0~1.5 hr. 
* Dial-in No.  (US) +1-218-844-8060; (UK) 0844-581-9148; (France) 0826-100-280; 01805-00-7642; (please call one of the numbers above if a local number is not available at your country) 
* Conference ID: "4389979#" 
* Attendees: [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]], [[DavidLeal|David Leal]], [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] (scribe), [[HansPeter_de_Koning]], [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]] (chair), 
** Regrets: [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]] (Dec-14 too), [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]], Charles Ehrlich, [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] (late), [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]] (late), [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]], ... (missing) [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]], [[DavidPrice|David Price]], [[GuntherSchadow|Gunther Schadow]], [[JerrySmith|Jerry Smith]], [[LinZhang|Lin Zhang]] (optional), [[JamieClark]] (optional), 

=== Notes for the Call: [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091207/UoM-org_ConfCall_20091207b.mp3 audio archive] ]  ===

* Review and adopt agenda 
** this will be a technical work session; it is suggested that admin issues be deferred to next week's call 

* Discussion: dealing with "institutionalized vagueness" in QUOMOS 
** as brought up by [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]], [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]], and previously [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]] too - ref. http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/uom-ontology-std/2009-12/msg00001.html 
** Pat: use of the category "reference" ... and utilizing that to preserve vocabulary? 
*** Steve: in favor of preserving the VIM as far as possible ... but not disguising the hollowness of the concept 
*** Peter: I am totally in favor of Pat's suggested use of the "reference" category to preserve vocabulary. I think this is an important approach too, and can help us get buy-in's from legacy standard bearers, assuming our vision is to have every natural language standard has an "ontology" counterpart as part of that standard. 
*** Hans-Peter: ... properties ... ''(please insert your key points here after the call ... thanks, =ppy)'' 
*** Steve to Pat: any examples of how other ontologies handle cases like this? ... Pat: haven't seen similar cases (like this, which is somewhat of a political compromise.) 
*** Steve: optimistic that Chuck Ehrlick will engage ... Pat: can we get copies of his earlier presentations if he had talked about it? 
*** Peter: great if we could have Chuck and others who represent different sides of this political position to give a talk, that would be great. Our Jan-7 community session will be a good time. 

* Pat: another issue - how much of the VIM is in our scope 
** e.g. error, measure techniques, ... metrological concepts would be beyond our scope 
** our scope for QUOMOS (at least for now) would mainly be in the VIM's Clause-1 

* any preparation for the First QUOMOS TC Meeting - tentatively, 21-Jan-2010 

* Progress/status review from deliverable champions ... and discussion: 
** [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]] (champion and editor for the (natural language) draft standard) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_English_draft]] 
*** a Table of Content first, possibly? 
** [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]] (champion and editor for the CLIF ontology) 
*** ref.[[UoM_Ontology_Standard_CLIF_draft]] 
** [[HansPeter_de_Koning]] + [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]] + [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]] (co-champions and co-editors for the OWL ontology) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_OWL_draft]] 
** [[DavidLeal|David Leal]] (champion and editor for the UML model) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_UML_Model_draft]] 

* Any preparation necessary for the next community session - [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2010_01_07]] 
** suggestion: getting the BIPM folks more involved ... like, 
*** present on the 2010.01.07 session 
*** participate in the QUOMOS TC work 
*** join us as one of the proposers of the OASIS QUOMOS TC 

* discussed possibilities of [[HansPeter_de_Koning]]'s participation in the QUOMOS TC, be it as a representative from ESA, OMG, or individually. Also considering if Hans-Peter can be our point person for the OWL editorial group. 

* Any other business 
** [[MaryMcRae]] of OASIS and [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] to be meeting on Thu 2009.12.10 - 8am PST / 11am EST / 1600 GMT regarding comments received on QUOMOS TC Charter. 
*** Howard's presence is mandatory, all other co-proposers are welcome to attend. 
*** [[MaryMcRae]] has provided the following conference call details: 

Conference Dial-in Number: (US) (712) 432-1600

Participant Access Code: 228408# 

International Dial-in Numbers

Austria: 0820 4000 1552

Belgium: 070 35 9974

France: 0826 100 256

Germany: 01805 00 76 09

Ireland: 0818 270 021

Italy: 848 390 156

Netherlands: 0870 001 920

Spain: 902 886025

Switzerland: 0848 560 179

UK: 0870 35 204 74 

Agenda:

- welcome

- identification of participants

- review of any comments received

- staff comments

- review of any action items

- recruiting

- marketing

- review of remaining schedule 

* Next Meeting: 
** our next weekly coordination meeting on Mon 2009.12.14, same time - call details [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard/GettingOrganized#nid24LL here] 

* Call adjourned: 8:48 am PST 

* Audio archive: is [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091207/UoM-org_ConfCall_20091207b.mp3 here] (mp3, 0:40:23, 4.62 MB) 

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== Notes on the Mon 2009.11.30-11:00am EST conference call  ==

Conference call details: 

* Date / Start time: Monday 2009.11.30 - 11:00am EST / 8:00am PST / 5:00pm CET / 4:00pm GMT / 16:00 UTC 
** ref. [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=11&day=30&year=2009&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 world clock] 
** Expected Duration: 1.0~1.5 hr. 
* Dial-in No.  (US) +1-218-844-8060; (UK) 0844-581-9148; (France) 0826-100-280; (Germany) 01805-00-7642; (please call one of the numbers above if a local number is not available at your country) 
* Conference ID: "4389979#" 
* Attendees: [[JerrySmith|Jerry Smith]], [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] (scribe), [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]], [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] (chair), [[DavidLeal|David Leal]], [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]], [[HansPeter_de_Koning]], [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]] 
** Regrets: (missing) ... [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]], [[JamieClark]], [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]], [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]], [[DavidPrice|David Price]], [[GuntherSchadow|Gunther Schadow]], [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]] 

=== Notes for the Call: [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091130/UoM-org_ConfCall_20091130b.mp3 audio archive] ]  ===

* Review and adopt agenda 

* postmortem of the [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2009_11_19]] session 
** great session; it enabled us to submit the proposal on 2009.11.20, which has since been accepted by OASIS 

* issue(s) and/or follow-up from the OASIS QUOMOS TC proposal submission 
** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_OASIS_TC_Charter_Draft]] 
*** comment now open ... until 2009.12.07 
** any preparation for the First QUOMOS TC Meeting - tentatively, 21-Jan-2010 
*** Steve: want to have CMU as one of the proposers, will get their "official statement" asap (before Dec-7) 
*** Jerry: received some comments from [[PatrickDurusau|Patrick Durusau]] ... will route to [uom-ontology-admin] first to see how we should respond 
*** Howard: closer to the time, another announcement will come out from OASIS to tell people that they need to register with OASIS 
*** Howard: someone prompted me that there is relevant work going on at the Ontolog Forum ... reminds us that we did not cite the (current) work at Ontolog in the charter 
*** Peter: it actually all started with [[OntologySummit2009]] ... therefore, (on Howard's suggestion) Peter will submit a "comment" to OASIS filling in that piece of the QUOMOS history with [[OntologySummit2009]] and Ontolog Forum contributions 

* Progress/status review from deliverable champions ... and discussion: 
** [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]] (champion and editor for the (natural language) draft standard) '' ... discussion deferred'' 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_English_draft]] 
** [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]] (champion and editor for the CLIF ontology) 
*** ref.[[UoM_Ontology_Standard_CLIF_draft]] 
*** Pat: will have something in a week 
** [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]] + [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]] + [[HansPeter_de_Koning]] (champion and editor for the OWL ontology) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_OWL_draft]] 
** [[DavidLeal|David Leal]] (champion and editor for the UML model) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_UML_Model_draft]] 
** [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]] + [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] (champion and project manager + progress tracking) 
*** Peter: work at Ontolog vs. OASIS - what gets done at Ontolog, and what at OASIS 
**** Peter / Steve: the original intent is to get as much done as possible, so we can leverage OASIS's SDO setting to quickly get the work adopted as standard 
*** Howard: it's a balancing act ... we need the entire OASIS community to buy-in too (they get to vote on it, eventually) 

* Looking to CLIF as the linchpin - we will do that first (referring to existing OWL and UML work), and then derive the OWL and UML piece from it 
** Peter: suggest doing the work over the [uom-ontology-std] list ... allows the work and process to be asynchronous, open and properly archived 

* Any preparation necessary for the next community session - [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2010_01_07]] 
** another progress review, and boost participation ... 
** Steve: will try to pull in the BIPM folks 
** Howard: the British Standard (BS) people are also noticing this work and are supportive 
** Howard: we need to prepare for the election of the officers too 
*** Steve indicated his interest to be a candidate to chair 

* Any other business 
** Peter: will contact [[ForestLin|Forest Lin]] to get support from Asia / China 
** Howard: we will need to set up a liaison between the QUOMOS TC and Ontolog Forum going forward 

* Next Meeting: 
** our next weekly coordination meeting on Mon Dec-07, same time - call details [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard/GettingOrganized#nid24ET here] 
** next week's call will be a technical (only) work session ... we'll forego the admin agenda at this next call. 
*** Howard: I may have to join late ... Steve will chair 

* Call adjourned: 8:55 am PST 

* Audio archive: is [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091130/UoM-org_ConfCall_20091130b.mp3 here] (mp3, 0:51:43, 5.9 MB) 

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== Notes on the Mon 2009.11.16-11:00am EST conference call  ==

Conference call details: 

* Date / Start time: Monday 2009.11.16 - 11:00am EST / 8:00am PST / 5:00pm CET / 4:00pm GMT / 16:00 UTC 
** ref. [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=11&day=16&year=2009&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 world clock] 
** Expected Duration: 1.0~1.5 hr. 
* Dial-in No.  (US) +1-218-844-8060; (UK) 0844-581-9148; (France) 0826-100-280; (Germany) 01805-00-7642; (please call one of the numbers above if a local number is not available at your country) 
* Conference ID: "4389979#" 
* Attendees: [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]], [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]], [[JamieClark]], [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] (scribe), [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]] (chair), [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]], [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]], ... (missing) [[DavidLeal|David Leal]], [[DavidPrice|David Price]], [[GuntherSchadow|Gunther Schadow]], 
** Regrets: [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]], [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]], [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]], [[HansPeter_de_Koning]], 

=== Notes for the Call: [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091116/UoM_ConfreeCall_20091116b.mp3 audio archive] ]  ===

* postmortem of the [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/Workshop_2009_10_30]] 
** very productive meeting 
** see: [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard-workshop_20091030/pic/ pictures] 
** Jamie: all good, helpful ... we'll need to start looking closely to align a time table with the OASIS process 
** Ed: believe Howard plans to send the charter over to OASIS this week 
** Howard: will still accept input from this group until tonight ... will get a final draft out tomorrow ... and circulate ... adopt on Thursdays, and then sent off to OASIS 
** discussed: "reference normative" and "normative" (as opposed to "normative" vs. "informative") 
*** Jamie: we have "one normative model" and several "normative expressions of that" 
**** what Howard has on the draft (on this issue) now looks great and does express what we want (or at least close enough) 
** Pat, Ed and all: focus of QUOMOS discussed (ref. Pat's concern) 
*** Ed will provide some text to Howard today 
*** Pat will also send some input to Howard today (ref. 
** Jamie: summarized the scope into 4 bullets ''... (Jamie please post your summary to the admin list for reference)'' 

* Tying down preparation details for the next virtual community session -  [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2009_11_19]] 
** Agenda for the Thu 2009.11.16 session ... 
*** Frank to chair 
*** 1. get agreement on the charter (presentation of draft by Howard then Q&A), 2. work out of an OASIS schedule (including adopting a date for the first OASIS TC meeting ... Howard to lead the discussion with Jamie at hand to provide guidance), 3. review progress of all working drafts (WIP report from the 4 champions ... 1 to 5 slides from each), 4. open discussion (including finding out who will be involved) 

* Progress/status review from deliverable champions .. .and discussion: 
** [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]] (champion and editor for the (natural language) draft standard) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_English_draft]] 
** [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]] (champion and editor for the CLIF ontology) 
*** ref.[[UoM_Ontology_Standard_CLIF_draft]] 
** [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]] + [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]] + [[HansPeter_de_Koning]] (champion and editor for the OWL ontology) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_OWL_draft]] 
** [[DavidLeal|David Leal]] (champion and editor for the UML model) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_UML_Model_draft]] 
** [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] (convener for the QUOMOS OASIS TC) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_OASIS_TC_Charter_Draft]] 
** [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]] + [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] (champion and project manager + progress tracking) 

* confirming the OASIS TC first (charter) meeting/conference-call date - Thu 2010.01.14 ok? 
** that's the target now 

* Funding: 
** I may have a chance to speak to [[JerrySmith|Jerry Smith]] on this some time this week 

* Any other business 
** none 

* Next Meeting: 
** this Thursday's community session - [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2009_11_19]] 
** then resuming our weekly coordination meeting on Mon Nov-30, same time - call details [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard/GettingOrganized#nid240N here] 

* Call adjourned: 9:26 am PST 

* Audio archive: is [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091116/UoM_ConfreeCall_20091116b.mp3 here] (mp3, 1:17:09, 8.8MB) 

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== Notes on the Mon 2009.10.19-11:00am EDT conference call  ==

Conference call details: 

* Date / Start time: Monday 2009.10.19 - 11:00am EDT / 8:00am PDT / 5:00pm CEST / 4:00pm BST / 15:00 UTC 
** ref. [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=10&day=19&year=2009&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 world clock] 
** Expected Duration: 1.0~1.5 hr. 
* Dial-in No.  +1-218-844-8060 
* Conference ID: "4389979#" 
* Attendees: [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]], [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]], [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]], [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]], [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]], [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]] & [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]] 
** Regrets: [[DavidLeal|David Leal]], [[DavidPrice|David Price]], [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]] (have travel, maybe first 20 min. only) ... (missing) [[GuntherSchadow|Gunther Schadow]], [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]] 

=== Notes for the Call: [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091019/UoM-coordination_ConfreeCall_20091019.mp3 audio archive] ]  ===

* Progress/status review from deliverable champions: 
** [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]] (champion and editor for the (natural language) draft standard) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_English_draft]] 
** [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]] (champion and editor for the CLIF ontology) 
*** ref.[[UoM_Ontology_Standard_CLIF_draft]] 
** [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]] + [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]] (champion and editor for the OWL ontology) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_OWL_draft]] 
** [[DavidLeal|David Leal]] (champion and editor for the UML model) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_UML_Model_draft]] 
** [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] (draft OASIS TC Charter) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_OASIS_TC_Charter_Draft]] 
** [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]] + [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] (champion and project manager + progress tracking) 
*** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard|draft work plan (going forward)]] 

* discussion: agenda for Thu 2009.10.22 virtual session 
** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2009_10_22]] 
** Thursday session definitely on ... need Ed, Pat, Chip & Rob to be there ... will follow-up on email 

* draft scope statement 
** champion assigned - [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]] 
** need this ready for preview on the Oct-22 virtual session 

* discussion: Howard's [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_OASIS_TC_Charter_Draft]] (using the OASIS template) 
** Howard will make a post to the [uom-ontology-std] list to bring this to the attention of the entire team 
** among the key decisions (and one that takes debate) is the name: being proposed "Quantity and Unit of Measure Ontology Standard (QUOMOS)" 
** also need to identify at least 3 OASIS full members (Institutional Representatives) to propose the TC to OASIS - candidates: [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] (BAE), [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]] (NIST), [[DavidPrice|David Price]] (Eurostep), ... ALL: please advise if you are also a qualified candidate. 

* Driving resolution of content alignment 
** champion assigned - [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]] 
** Pat will have some slides ready and will moderate that afternoon segment at the Oct-30 workshop 

* Review and finalized (for now) agenda and registration information for the Fri 2009.10.30 workshop 
** ref. [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/Workshop_2009_10_30]] 
** [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/Workshop_2009_10_30_Registration]] 

* discussion: trac project milestones and tickets 
** [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]] (OASIS TC submission, formation and process tracking) 
** see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard-workshop_20091030/wip/Proposed-UoM-project-milestones-and-tickets--JoelBender_20091019a.pdf 
** Peter will be setting up an [uom-ontology-admin] mailing list so that we can capture and archive our admin/planning/coordination process and conversation for transparency and ease-of-reference. 

* Funding prospects: ''(... discussion deffered)'' 
** (possibilities) NSF, NASA, NIH/NLM, ISO-MOU, DISA (JerrySmith), ... (discussion deferred from last week) 

* Further input 

* Any other business 

* next meeting: this coming Thursday (regular Ontolog event slot) - see developing details at: [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/ConferenceCall_2009_10_22]] 

* call adjourned 9:43 am PDT (1 Hr. 35 min.) 

* audio archive of the session: is [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091019/UoM-coordination_ConfreeCall_20091019.mp3 here] (mp3, 1:27:22, 10.0MB) 

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== Notes on the Mon 2009.10.12-11:00am EDT conference call  ==

Conference call details: 

* Date / Start time: Monday 2009.10.12 - 11:00am EDT / 8:00am PDT / 5:00pm CEST / 4:00pm BST / 15:00 UTC 
** ref. [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=10&day=12&year=2009&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 world clock] 
** Expected Duration: 1.0~1.5 hr. 
* Dial-in No.  +1-218-844-8060 
* Conference ID: "4389979#" 
* Attendees:  [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]], [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]], [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]], [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]], [[DavidPrice|David Price]], ( ... hopefully also, [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]], [[GuntherSchadow|Gunther Schadow]], [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]], [[DavidLeal|David Leal]], [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]], [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]], ... and, [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] too, if he can get out of his other call soon enough) 

=== Notes for the Call: [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091012/UoM-cooordination-call_20091012.mp3 audio archive] ]  ===

''Member of the coordination team: Please add other suggested items below ...'' 

* Progress/status review from deliverable champions: 
** [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]] (champion and editor for the (natural language) draft standard) - 
** [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]] (champion and editor for the CLIF ontology) - 
** [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]] + [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]] (champion and editor for the OWL ontology) - 
** [[DavidLeal|David Leal]] (champion and editor for the UML model) - 
** [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]] + [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] (champion and project manager + progress tracking) - 
*** wiki page stubs created for the drafting work: 
**** (Natural language) Standard (draft) - [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_English_draft]] 
**** UML Model [reference only] (draft) - [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_UML_Model_draft]] 
**** OWL ontology (draft) - [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_OWL_draft]] 
**** CLIF ontology (draft) - [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_CLIF_draft]] 
**** see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard#nid1ZNP 

* further discussion on choice of SDO to move this initiative forward to next 
** ref. discussion started 2009.10.05 and [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/wip/SDO_Selection_discussion--HowardMason-et-al_20091009a.doc Howard's recap and suggestions] dated 2009.10.09 
** Peter / Steve: OASIS as the interim step before it goes to the established International Standard 
** Frank: reiterates the need for publicly available on the web and free of charge 

* Review [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/Workshop_2009_10_30]] agenda 
** draft agenda (Frank & Ed ... Howard too, who may be running the meeting) - review and comment 
*** [[DavidPrice|David Price]]: presentations from champions and identify issues 
*** [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: key item would be *coordination* at the F2F 
*** [[DavidPrice|David Price]]: use Thu Oct-22 to review deliverables and preview all champion presentation - confirmed; see: [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/GettingOrganized/ConferenceCall_2009_10_22]] 
** Oct-30 - meeting time: 8:30am ~ 3:30pm 
** add: adoption of an OASIS TC Charter 
*** champion - [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] (we volunteered Howard in his absence, hope this is ok with him) ... draft charter ETA - draft ready this week, please. 
*** Peter: have created stub page (draft workspace) for the proposed OASIS TC Charter - see: [[UoM_Ontology_Standard_OASIS_TC_Charter_Draft]] 

* What else needs to happen between now and the [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/Workshop_2009_10_30]] 
** review this project's "Mission" Statement - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard#nid1ZNL 
*** "To coordinate and develop the draft of an OWL and CLIF based ontology international standard for "Units and Measure and Quantities" which will be publicly available, free of charge." 
** Frank need to get remote setup ready - Peter to supply phone number etc. 
** need an updated project plan - Joel & Peter to propose for review on email and at our next call 
** session page 
*** Peter to set up session page after agenda draft is out 
** announcement 
*** Peter to do it on behalf of the chair and the coordinators 
** attendee registration 
*** need people name, affiliation, citizenship, and remind them to bring photo ID 
*** [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]] has a 50/50 chance of being there in person, but will join remotely otherwise. 
** ... 

* Funding prospects 
** (possibilities) NSF, NASA, NIH/NLM, ISO-MOU, DISA (JerrySmith), ... (defer discussion to next week) 

* Further input 

* Any other business 

* next meeting: Monday 2009.10.19 - 11:00am EDT / 8:00am PDT / 5:00pm CEST / 4:00pm BST / 15:00 UTC 

* call adjourned 9:05am PDT (45 min.) 

* audio archive of the session: is [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091012/UoM-cooordination-call_20091012.mp3 here] (mp3, 0:38:06, 4.4MB) 

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== Notes on the Mon 2009.10.05-11:00am EDT conference call  ==

Conference call details: 

* Date / Start time: Monday 2009.10.05 - 11:00am EDT / 8:00am PDT / 5:00pm CEST / 4:00pm BST / 15:00 UTC 
** ref. [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=10&day=5&year=2009&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 world clock] 
** Expected Duration: 1.0~1.5 hr. 
* Dial-in No.  +1-218-844-8060 
* Conference ID: "4389979#" 
* Attendees:  [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]], [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]], [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]], [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]], [[GuntherSchadow|Gunther Schadow]], [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]], [[DavidLeal|David Leal]], [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]], [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]]; hopefully, [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]], [[DavidPrice|David Price]] and [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]] can shuffle their schedules and make this call too. 

=== Notes for the Call: [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091005/UoM-coordination-call_20091005.mp3 audio archive] ]  ===

* What needs to happen between now and the [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/Workshop_2009_10_30]] 
** Ed: going from philosophical discussion to standards drafting 

* Assigning champions for the deliverables and the process: 
** champion and editor for the (natural language) draft standard - [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]] 
** champion and editor for the CLIF ontology - [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]] 
** champion and editor for the OWL ontology - [[ChipMasters|Chip Masters]] + [[RobRaskin|Rob Raskin]] 
*** question: which OWL? - we'll leave it to the champion to recommend, and discuss 
*** QUDV from NASA/JPL? 
** champion and editor for the UML model - [[DavidLeal|David Leal]] 
** champion and project manager for tracking progress - [[JoelBender|Joel Bender]] + [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] 
** ''anything else?'' 
** Joel: question on style/audience - aim the deliverable as an ISO standard - we want a draft standard with enough supporting tutorial material 
*** Howard: note that most of standards materials, we would need to state our purpose, rendering the VIM into a formal ontological language, say how we are related and align with the VIM, ... etc. 
** we intend that the CLIF and OWL formalizations will be normative, UML models will mainly be for the tutorial 
** in the CLIF we will use the same OWL namespace for the OWL constructs 
** Gunther: suggest using only CLIF as the reference formal specification during our development process 

* what needs to be done to facilitate our getting the desired result 
** coordination between the development of the deliverables 
** adopting an open and transparent process 
** getting IPR issues out of the way 
*** Howard: let's not go into this discussion ... all we want to have is an understanding on (among those involved here) that the resulting work is going to be "publicly available, free of charge" ... we can adopt the SDO's process as required. 
** review and feedback process 
** workspace: [uom-ontology-std] list, Ontolog wiki (discussion mode), Trac and subversion repository (draft document, candidate document, code) 
*** Peter: for people consideration, try OOR-sandbox for the OWL work (Ed: can we do OWL validity and consistency checking?) 

* what do we anticipate happening in preparation the [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/Workshop_2009_10_30]] 
** Ed will summarize the overall position by end of this week 
** Pat: if someone proposes that something should be in scope, he/she should also provide the approach and content 
** Gunther / Ed: base document for the meeting to be available by Oct-19 
** weekly telecons among this group - Mondays, same time - Yes 

* a rough agenda for the [[UoM_Ontology_Standard/Workshop_2009_10_30]] 
** Ed & Frank to come up with one by Mon 12-Oct-2009 
** Steve: avoid further scope discussion ... aim at a "work product" from the face-to-face 
** Howard will be there and can run the meeting; we'll expect [[DavidPrice|David Price]] and [[DavidLeal|David Leal]] to be attending remotely 

* what do we anticipate happening after we have the set of clean deliverable 
** moving over to an SDO setting ? 
*** straight to ISO? ... or, OASIS (first) then ISO? 
*** which ISO TC? 
** All: we will defer this to email discussion during next 5 days (please use the ongoing coordination thread) 
** Howard: would be nice to bring this up at next Monday's ISO MOU meeting 

* possible funding for this work 
** for the individual(s)? 
** for the workgroup? 
** Steve: possibilities at NIST? - Ed will explore (with Steve's help) 
** Gunther: NLM, NASA, ... ? 
*** Chip will explore with NASA 
*** ask Frank what NSF can do (although they may want to stay away from working on standards) 
*** Gunther: can try NLM for travel grant 

* Any other business 
** Steve: [[UoM_Ontology_Standard]] progress update by [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]] at ConferenceCall_2009_10_08 

* next meeting: Monday 2009.10.12 - 11:00am EDT / 8:00am PDT / 5:00pm CEST / 4:00pm BST / 15:00 UTC 
** Howard will not be able to join (but will try to make the meeting towards the end, if possible.) 

* call adjourned 9:35am PDT (1Hr. 35 min.) 

* audio archive of the session: is [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/UoM/UoM-ontology-standard_coordination/UoM-coordination-call_20091005/UoM-coordination-call_20091005.mp3 here] (mp3, 1:32:11, 10.55MB) 

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== Notes on the 2009.09.10 11:00am EDT conference call  ==

Conference call details: 

* Thursday 2009.09.10 11:00am EDT / 8:00am PDT / 5:00pm CEST / 4:00pm BST / 15:00 UTC 
* Dial-in No.  +1-218-844-8060 
* Conference ID: "4389979#" 
* Attendees: ''([[UoM_Ontology_Standard|co-conveners]] of the [[UoM_Ontology_Standard]] initiative)'' [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]], [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]], [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]], [[DavidPrice|David Price]], [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] and [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] 

=== Notes from the Call  ===

1. possibly another virtual panel session - QUDT (Steve to contact), UCUM (Ed to contact), Leal-strawman (David to contact), Ed-synthesis, plus discussion ... and what's next - plan to do this on Thu 2009.09.24 - co-chair: [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]] & [[DavidPrice|David Price]] 

* developing session page at: ConferenceCall_2009_09_24 

2. synthesize the discussion so far, and start documenting a strawman ontology, or two - [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]] to champion the synthesis (ETA ~2009.09.20) 

3. a face-to-face - aim at Fri 2009.10.30 at NSF for a working group plus observers (backup venue at NIST) - Frank and Ed will work out the logistics 

* developing session page at: /Workshop_2009_10_30 

4. getting organized as a standards working group 

* what needs to happen between 9/24 and 10/30 - we can discuss this with the community on 9/24 
* shifting gears from discussion to production 
* we want the technical stuff done and then shop around for the right SDO setting to get the work adopted as standard 
** we should be doing this by Jan-2010 

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