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== Discussion ==
== Discussion ==
12:11:02 MAHESH SALADI, PECFO : Taxonomy of Orthodox - Complex, but highly interesting! Excited to learn converting this into today's Ontology!
12:19:30 Deborah McGuinness : would love to get the slides - thx]
12:20:44 TS : Deborah, the slides will be posted on the meeting page, https://ontologforum.com/index.php/ConferenceCall_2026_03_04
12:20:48 Ken Baclawski : The slides are available on the session web page.  https://ontologforum.com/index.php/ConferenceCall_2026_03_04
* Mike Peters : 👍
* Jake Waas (screwlisp) : 👍
* Stefano De Giorgis : 👍
12:22:27 janet singer : Nice way to identify interoperability challenges — these framings can be integrated through DOL rather than an upper ontology?
12:23:21 Mike Peters : Excellent slides Ram
* Deborah McGuinness : 👍
* janet singer : 👍
12:25:38 Jake Waas (screwlisp) : In Gary's first slide, is reasoning here meant to be understood as common sense reasoning?
12:27:04 Ravi Sharma : Not only the atom, but the Vedas or what are known as Knowledge repositories, describe in detail the formation of the Atomic Nucleus starting with the ground state of Matter and Quantum field energy called Rita Agni and later Matter. I have published this as paper.
* Jake Waas (screwlisp) : 👍
* Sudarsan Rachuri : 👍
12:30:40 MAHESH SALADI, PECFO : If Process Intelligence gives us the 'map' of how work flows, and Ontology gives us the 'meaning' of the objects within it, can we ever achieve true Autonomous Operations without a universal 'Business Ontology' that every AI agent understands?
* janet singer : 👍
12:32:59 Ravi Sharma : Ram Sriram and other commenting colleagues good presentation on ancient Indian knowledge, especially classifications.
* Mike Peters : 👍
* Yves KERARON (ISADEUS) : 👍
12:35:07 MAHESH SALADI, PECFO : If a business process changes every day, how can a static Ontology keep up? Should we be building 'Liquid Ontologies' that learn and redefine themselves as our processes evolve?
* Jake Waas (screwlisp) : 👍
* Ram D. Sriram (Section M) : 👍
12:35:12 Jake Waas (screwlisp) : A New Kind Of Society...! (Being the description of https://lambda.moo.mud.org in the 90s)
12:38:25 Ravi Sharma : There are multidimensional math and process rnsformative in the paper published.
* Jake Waas (screwlisp) : 👍
12:39:37 Ravi Sharma : transformative
12:39:40 MAHESH SALADI, PECFO : If Process Intelligence provides the 'Eyes' (what is happening) and Ontology provides the 'Mind' (what it means), at what point does 'Learning' from data allow a system to autonomously rewrite its own 'Ontology'?
* sub : If Process Intelligence provides the 'Eyes' (what is happening) and Ontology provides the 'Mind' (what it means), at what point does 'Learning' from data allow a system to autonomously rewrite its own 'Ontology'?  You are right. That is why I think we should adopt the process Metaphysics of Whitehead and Nicolas Rescher, where the object and its identity are always temporary and change over time. Processes operate on them. Process ontology liberates us from the idea that object ontology will remain stable forever and carry truth. melting as a process changes the state of a metal, even if it is still the same metal(!). In each process, the object’s state changes from one state to another, and the effect of the process is the same (stable)  in the same context.
* From Yves KERARON (ISADEUS) : Bergson uses the term Intelligence for external understanding with science and intuition for internal understanding with metaphysics. It begins with an intuition which is simple and comes up from a force of life. Process metaphysics is a way to reach the precision of science.
** janet singer : 👍
12:40:54 Sudarsan Rachuri : How can we use Graph Neural Networks to develop dynamic Ontology with Bayesian inference?
12:42:39 Alex Nelson : Is the Trajanoska article from slide 11 this one?  https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.04676
* Alex Nelson : Confirmed, found footnote in slides.
12:45:09 Ravi Sharma : We are grateful to Pat Hayes (Papers) on context and to John Sowa for Explanations as prerequisites for ontologies and logic implementation, as covered by Gary in this talk.
12:45:22 janet singer : @sub and @Ram D. Sriram (Section M) — given that the schools of thought presented disagree on profound assumptions, is there a meta-framework being considered that draws on their insights as complementary?
* Ram D. Sriram (Section M) : Janet: Naya and Vaisheshika have been merged. I think there are efforts to develop a meta framework. Ranganathan’s work should be looked into. Sub may have other thoughts.
12:47:12 Phil Jackson : would or could such a meta-framework use a "meta-ontology"?
* janet singer : That would be the goal — challenge is they have incompatible views of what ‘knowledge representation’ is
12:53:09 Jake Waas (screwlisp) : Gary: In terms of LM-generated spatial worlds / DL-generated spatial worlds do you think is a modern connection back to e.g. the historical lambdaMOO (1990- text based object oriented virtual reality)
12:54:00 Jake Waas (screwlisp) : John Sowa are you familiar with Kent Pitman's Cross Referenced Editing Facility work in the 80s?
12:54:49 TS : ‘World Models’? Which or whose world?
12:56:10 Mike Peters : I found ontologies work as constraints in the world model ML I work on.
12:56:19 sub : The fundamental premise in Indian philosophies is that there is no single truth but a collection of truths from different perspectives. So in Jaina logic, which is more elaborate than Brouwer’s intuitionistic logic, and the Buddhist tetra lemma that extends it to four-valued logic. Jaina Logic goes for seven-valued logic. That is because it was created to present different alternative conceptions that are based on which propositions have evidence, which do’t and which are primarily propositions that are unknown. I have a paper under review on Jaina Logic and Design.
* janet singer : 👍
* janet singer : I would be interested in seeing the paper
** sub : Will send it you. It is under review in a Chinese philosophical Journal.
** janet singer : Great
* Deborah McGuinness : thanks  - i often have conflicts with this time period but loved the talks today.  thanks so much!  will look forward in particular to Ram's additional materials
* Phil Jackson : mega-ditto's :)
12:57:13 TS : Is the notion of ‘world model’ synonymous with ‘context’?
13:00:33 Deborah McGuinness : would love to have the longer version of Ram's presentation as well - i see the slides that are linked  but perhaps we can get Ram to write up his current views
13:00:39 Jackie Csonka-Peeren : Q: The slides about the history are beautiful and useful. Is it possible that some important female figures are not reflected in the Gemini-generated images because the data Gemini was trained is less aware of these figures?
13:01:40 TS : Ram, could add your list of references (on Indian Philosophy) to the meeting page?
* Ram D. Sriram (Section M) : Will do so.
* TS : Excellent. Thank you for a most interesting presentation.
* Jackie Csonka-Peeren : thank you
13:03:02 MAHESH SALADI, PECFO : Thank you for great presentation Ram, and Gary! Jumping into another call.
* Jake Waas (screwlisp) : 👍
13:10:39 Jake Waas (screwlisp) : Thanks everyone for the very high level overview, it was very helpful
* Marcia Zeng : 👍


== Resources ==
== Resources ==

Latest revision as of 01:07, 6 March 2026

Session Ontologies and AI
Duration 1 hour
Date/Time 04 Mar 2026 17:00 GMT
9:00am PST/12:00pm EST
5:00pm GMT/6:00pm CET
Convener Gary Berg-Cross

Ontology Summit 2026 Ontologies and AI

  • AI and Ontologies: Past, Present and some future views Gary Berg-Cross Board Member Ontolog Forum
    • This talk will briefly summarize some of the recent Ontology summits were looking at the relationship between modern AI capabilities such as GenAis and knowledge/meaning/representation issues such as abound with ontologies. Some current efforts and issues in integrating GenAI into KE/KG tasks will be discussed. How do GenAIs assist in KE and what are the limits? Looking the other way, how can the knowledge formalized in semantic resources such as ontologies help improve intelligent systems.
      There are many views of the future including how to enable interoperability through hybrid architectures. Some kinds of hybrids including how to use ontologies for GenAI Robustness. Hybrid robot types provide some interesting examples and raise questions such as: “How should common-sense knowledge be learned and reasoned about?”
      Finally the presentation will take another look at the AI’s track mission, rack plan & speakers who in turn may discuss the question: Is there a role for meaningful explanation in the future of AI and ontologies?
    • Slides
    • Video Recording
    • YouTube Video
  • Ancient Indian View of Ontologies Ram D. Sriram Board Member Ontolog Forum
  • Discussion

Conference Call Information

Discussion

12:11:02 MAHESH SALADI, PECFO : Taxonomy of Orthodox - Complex, but highly interesting! Excited to learn converting this into today's Ontology!

12:19:30 Deborah McGuinness : would love to get the slides - thx]

12:20:44 TS : Deborah, the slides will be posted on the meeting page, https://ontologforum.com/index.php/ConferenceCall_2026_03_04

12:20:48 Ken Baclawski : The slides are available on the session web page. https://ontologforum.com/index.php/ConferenceCall_2026_03_04

  • Mike Peters : 👍
  • Jake Waas (screwlisp) : 👍
  • Stefano De Giorgis : 👍

12:22:27 janet singer : Nice way to identify interoperability challenges — these framings can be integrated through DOL rather than an upper ontology?

12:23:21 Mike Peters : Excellent slides Ram

  • Deborah McGuinness : 👍
  • janet singer : 👍

12:25:38 Jake Waas (screwlisp) : In Gary's first slide, is reasoning here meant to be understood as common sense reasoning?

12:27:04 Ravi Sharma : Not only the atom, but the Vedas or what are known as Knowledge repositories, describe in detail the formation of the Atomic Nucleus starting with the ground state of Matter and Quantum field energy called Rita Agni and later Matter. I have published this as paper.

  • Jake Waas (screwlisp) : 👍
  • Sudarsan Rachuri : 👍

12:30:40 MAHESH SALADI, PECFO : If Process Intelligence gives us the 'map' of how work flows, and Ontology gives us the 'meaning' of the objects within it, can we ever achieve true Autonomous Operations without a universal 'Business Ontology' that every AI agent understands?

  • janet singer : 👍

12:32:59 Ravi Sharma : Ram Sriram and other commenting colleagues good presentation on ancient Indian knowledge, especially classifications.

  • Mike Peters : 👍
  • Yves KERARON (ISADEUS) : 👍

12:35:07 MAHESH SALADI, PECFO : If a business process changes every day, how can a static Ontology keep up? Should we be building 'Liquid Ontologies' that learn and redefine themselves as our processes evolve?

  • Jake Waas (screwlisp) : 👍
  • Ram D. Sriram (Section M) : 👍

12:35:12 Jake Waas (screwlisp) : A New Kind Of Society...! (Being the description of https://lambda.moo.mud.org in the 90s)

12:38:25 Ravi Sharma : There are multidimensional math and process rnsformative in the paper published.

  • Jake Waas (screwlisp) : 👍

12:39:37 Ravi Sharma : transformative

12:39:40 MAHESH SALADI, PECFO : If Process Intelligence provides the 'Eyes' (what is happening) and Ontology provides the 'Mind' (what it means), at what point does 'Learning' from data allow a system to autonomously rewrite its own 'Ontology'?

  • sub : If Process Intelligence provides the 'Eyes' (what is happening) and Ontology provides the 'Mind' (what it means), at what point does 'Learning' from data allow a system to autonomously rewrite its own 'Ontology'? You are right. That is why I think we should adopt the process Metaphysics of Whitehead and Nicolas Rescher, where the object and its identity are always temporary and change over time. Processes operate on them. Process ontology liberates us from the idea that object ontology will remain stable forever and carry truth. melting as a process changes the state of a metal, even if it is still the same metal(!). In each process, the object’s state changes from one state to another, and the effect of the process is the same (stable) in the same context.
  • From Yves KERARON (ISADEUS) : Bergson uses the term Intelligence for external understanding with science and intuition for internal understanding with metaphysics. It begins with an intuition which is simple and comes up from a force of life. Process metaphysics is a way to reach the precision of science.
    • janet singer : 👍

12:40:54 Sudarsan Rachuri : How can we use Graph Neural Networks to develop dynamic Ontology with Bayesian inference?

12:42:39 Alex Nelson : Is the Trajanoska article from slide 11 this one? https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.04676

  • Alex Nelson : Confirmed, found footnote in slides.

12:45:09 Ravi Sharma : We are grateful to Pat Hayes (Papers) on context and to John Sowa for Explanations as prerequisites for ontologies and logic implementation, as covered by Gary in this talk.

12:45:22 janet singer : @sub and @Ram D. Sriram (Section M) — given that the schools of thought presented disagree on profound assumptions, is there a meta-framework being considered that draws on their insights as complementary?

  • Ram D. Sriram (Section M) : Janet: Naya and Vaisheshika have been merged. I think there are efforts to develop a meta framework. Ranganathan’s work should be looked into. Sub may have other thoughts.

12:47:12 Phil Jackson : would or could such a meta-framework use a "meta-ontology"?

  • janet singer : That would be the goal — challenge is they have incompatible views of what ‘knowledge representation’ is

12:53:09 Jake Waas (screwlisp) : Gary: In terms of LM-generated spatial worlds / DL-generated spatial worlds do you think is a modern connection back to e.g. the historical lambdaMOO (1990- text based object oriented virtual reality)

12:54:00 Jake Waas (screwlisp) : John Sowa are you familiar with Kent Pitman's Cross Referenced Editing Facility work in the 80s?

12:54:49 TS : ‘World Models’? Which or whose world?

12:56:10 Mike Peters : I found ontologies work as constraints in the world model ML I work on.

12:56:19 sub : The fundamental premise in Indian philosophies is that there is no single truth but a collection of truths from different perspectives. So in Jaina logic, which is more elaborate than Brouwer’s intuitionistic logic, and the Buddhist tetra lemma that extends it to four-valued logic. Jaina Logic goes for seven-valued logic. That is because it was created to present different alternative conceptions that are based on which propositions have evidence, which do’t and which are primarily propositions that are unknown. I have a paper under review on Jaina Logic and Design.

  • janet singer : 👍
  • janet singer : I would be interested in seeing the paper
    • sub : Will send it you. It is under review in a Chinese philosophical Journal.
    • janet singer : Great
  • Deborah McGuinness : thanks - i often have conflicts with this time period but loved the talks today. thanks so much! will look forward in particular to Ram's additional materials
  • Phil Jackson : mega-ditto's :)

12:57:13 TS : Is the notion of ‘world model’ synonymous with ‘context’?

13:00:33 Deborah McGuinness : would love to have the longer version of Ram's presentation as well - i see the slides that are linked but perhaps we can get Ram to write up his current views

13:00:39 Jackie Csonka-Peeren : Q: The slides about the history are beautiful and useful. Is it possible that some important female figures are not reflected in the Gemini-generated images because the data Gemini was trained is less aware of these figures?

13:01:40 TS : Ram, could add your list of references (on Indian Philosophy) to the meeting page?

  • Ram D. Sriram (Section M) : Will do so.
  • TS : Excellent. Thank you for a most interesting presentation.
  • Jackie Csonka-Peeren : thank you

13:03:02 MAHESH SALADI, PECFO : Thank you for great presentation Ram, and Gary! Jumping into another call.

  • Jake Waas (screwlisp) : 👍

13:10:39 Jake Waas (screwlisp) : Thanks everyone for the very high level overview, it was very helpful

  • Marcia Zeng : 👍

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