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Session Planning
Duration 1.5 hour
Date/Time Oct 04 2017 16:00 GMT
9:00am PDT/12:00pm EDT
6:00pm CEST/5:00pm BST
Convener DavidWhitten

Ontology Summit 2018 Contexts for Medical Decision Making

Abstract and Agenda

David Whitten will present Contexts for Medical Decision Making. Slides (ppt) Slides (pdf)

The recording of the session is available at Video (mp4)

Conference Call Information

  • Date: Wednesday, 04-October-2017
  • Start Time: 9:00am PDT / 12:00pm EDT / 6:00pm CEST / 5:00pm BST / 1600 UTC
  • Expected Call Duration: ~1.5 hours
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[11:50] KenBaclawski: The conference call has started.

[11:51] KenBaclawski: The meeting page is

[11:51] KenBaclawski: David Whitten will present Contexts for Medical Decision Making.

[11:53] DouglasRMiles: Awesome!

[12:03] KenBaclawski: The bluejeans URL is

[12:09] KenBaclawski: Slides are at

[12:26] DouglasRMiles: John, i think any ontology that wants to be "upper level" will either be simply a way to define terms or the size of Cycs :)

[12:39] DouglasRMiles: The Audio is happening @

[12:41] RaviSharma: David: are there attempts at interoperations among these medical standards using XML etc?

[12:42] RaviSharma: many times realtime comparisons become urgent during triages, etc. hence comparisons become important.

[12:43] John Sowa: Re Cyc: It's big because it has been under development for over 30 years.

[12:43] John Sowa: Compare the size of Windows 10 to MS DOS thirty years ago.

[12:44] John Sowa: Compare the size of BFO to any of the systems listed in David W's slide 12.

[12:45] John Sowa: Question about BFO: Is that teeny, tiny system strong enough to support the links to and from all the medical systems listed in slide 12?

[12:46] John Sowa: Cyc does support all those links. Anything that claims to be better than the Cyc TLO must show how it can support those links -- if not today, it must show a road map of how to get from here to there.

[12:47] DouglasRMiles: BTW, CYC's bootstrap ontology called the TinyKB only contains around 8000 assertion.. 3000 constants

[12:47] DouglasRMiles: i cant imagine getting below 3000 terms

[12:53] DouglasRMiles: the last part about cTAKES was too quiet

[12:58] RaviSharma1: Notes: John and David discussed and described the expertise levels required to bring data into Watson usable forms.

[13:05] ToddSchneider: David, Thank you for the presentation. Have to go. Cheers.

[13:08] RaviSharma: David: clinical reminders list is a good example of contexts, are there efforts at different operational situations at least, in medical and other disciplines such as disaster management etc. where taxonomies exist or are being built so that ontologies can improve upon those contexts?

[13:14] RaviSharma: John and David: are there any n-tuples or word ordering which describe depth of context or type of context in any discipline? Is it also understood generally that we have to kind of stay in domains that are related to the context being described?

[13:21] KenBaclawski: Janet Singer had this comment in the Video Chat: "Thanks - sitting in parking lot listening over lunch, but back to the Biomimicry Summit now. Next speaker will be mentioning BFO so good to have John's criticisms in mind."

[13:27] RaviSharma: Notes: John indicated that as in accounting rules and categorizations there is development of terminologies and details, these are levels that are relevant to contexts!

[13:30] RaviSharma: continues conversation from John my notes: and not XML that only provides low level transport but no great values. Spreadsheets are good example, and generalized graphs and lattices. computers make sure these are consistent. Spreadsheets, lattices and graphs mapped into logic and represented by ontologies

[13:34] RaviSharma: open problems questions and issues - ravi will hopefully sift these from recordings, presentations and notes

[13:35] RaviSharma: and show some text on website by next week

[13:35] John Sowa: I have to sign off. Bye

[13:35] RaviSharma: thanks John regards

[13:36] RaviSharma: thanks Ken

[13:37] KenBaclawski: Meeting is adjourned, but the chat room will remain open for the rest of the day.

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