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Ontology Summit 2012 Launch Event - Thu 2012-01-12

  • Topic: OntologySummit2012: "Ontology for Big Systems"
  • General Co-chairs: Dr. Nicola Guarino & Dr. LeoObrst
  • Symposium Co-chairs: Dr. Ram D. Sriram & Professor MichaelGruninger
  • Representing the Co-organizers:

Abstract: Goals & Objectives

OntologySummit2012 Theme: "Ontology for Big Systems"

This is our 7th Ontology Summit, a joint initiative by NIST, Ontolog, NCOR, NCBO, IAOA & NCO_NITRD with the support of our co-sponsors. The theme adopted for this Ontology Summit is: "Ontology for Big Systems." In an earlier planning session last month, the community and subsequently, the summit organizing committee members brainstormed on the choice of theme and how best to frame the issues. These inputs were carefully reviewed and synthesized by the Ontology Summit Organizing Committee and its leadership. It is this plan and program that we will be discussing with everyone during today's launch event.

During this 3-month Summit, we seek to explore, identify and articulate how ontological methods can bring value to the various disciplines required to engineer a "big system." The term "big system" is intended to cover a large scope that includes many of the terms encountered in the media such as big data, complex techno-socio-economic systems, intelligent or smart systems, cloud computing, netcentricity and collective intelligence. Established disciplines that fall within the summit scope include (but not limited to) systems engineering, software engineering, information systems modelling, and data mining.

The principal goal of the summit is to bring together and foster collaboration between the ontology community, systems community, and stakeholders of some of "big systems." Together, the summit participants will exchange ideas on how ontological analysis and ontology engineering might make a difference, when applied in these "big systems." We will aim towards producing a series of recommendations describing how ontologies can create an impact; as well as providing illustrations where these techniques have been, or could be, applied in domains such as bioinformatics, electronic health records, intelligence, the smart electrical grid, manufacturing and supply chains, earth and environmental, e-science, cyberphysical systems and e-government. As is traditional with the Ontology Summit series, the results will be captured in the form of a communiqué, with expanded supporting material provided on the web.

The 2012 Ontology Summit officially begins with today's launch event. We are initiating a series of topical online discussions, virtual panel sessions, studies, synthesis exercises, etc. which will take place, virtually, over the next 3 months. All of these will come together with a face-to-face meeting on April 12 & 13 in Gaithersburg, Maryland, USA at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).

See developing details at: OntologySummit2012 (home page for this summit)

Agenda

Ontology Summit 2012 Launch

  • Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call - [ slides ]
  • 1. Opening and Introduction of this year's Ontology Summit Theme (co-chairs) - Nicola Guarino / Leo Obrst [5 min.]
  • 2. Aspirations for this Summit - remarks from the co-organizers [5 min. each]
  • 3. Summit Overview, Program Structure, Vision (general co-chairs) - Leo Obrst & Nicola Guarino [15 min.]
  • 4. Symposium overview and vision (symposium co-chairs) - Ram D. Sriram & Michael Grüninger [7 min.]
  • 5. Support infrastructure, Process and Administrivia - Peter P. Yim [5 min.]
  • 6. Q & A and open discussion on what the community wants to achieve in this Summit [All: ~30 min.] -- please refer to process above
  • 7. Conclusion / Follow-up / Next session (co-chairs) - Nicola Guarino / Leo Obrst

Proceedings

Please refer to the above

IM Chat Transcript captured during the session

see raw transcript here.

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --

Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the

Ontology Summit 2012 Launch Event - Thu 2012-01-12

Topic: Ontology Summit 2012: "Ontology for Big Systems"

Co-chairs: Dr. Nicola Guarino & Dr. Leo Obrst

Session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_01_12

Mute control: *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute

Can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad"

Proceedings:

anonymous morphed into Bob Schloss

anonymous morphed into Steve Ray

BobSmith1 morphed into Bob Smith

anonymous morphed into Doug Foxvog

anonymous1 morphed into Giancarlo Guizzardi

anonymous morphed into Christopher Spottiswoode

anonymous1 morphed into Yefim (Jeff) Zhuk

mariakeet morphed into Maria Keet

anonymous morphed into Elizabeth Florescu

Kathy Ellis morphed into Kathy Ellis

anonymous1 morphed into Larry Lefkowitz

anonymous morphed into Richard Detsch

anonymous2 morphed into GaryBergCross

anonymous morphed into Simon Spero

anonymous3 morphed into Bart Gajderowicz

Simon Spero: The importance of your call is high

anonymous morphed into Bryan Thompson

Line Pouchard morphed into Line Pouchard

nicola morphed into Nicola Guarino

anonymous morphed into Karl Grossner

anonymous1 morphed into RosarioUcedaSosa

Ali Hashemi: Refresh the session page

Steve Ray: Slides are being uploaded as we speak. Hang on.

Ali Hashemi: Slides usually appear there

Leo Obrst: Peter is still making the slides available. Stay tuned shortly.

anonymous morphed into Arun Majumdar

Doug Foxvog: Slides are at

http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2012/2012-01-12_OntologySummit2012_Launch/

anonymous1 morphed into Jim Schoening

Bryan Thompson: How do you enter the pin into skype?

Ali Hashemi: Click Call

Ali Hashemi: Click Show Dial Pad

Ali Hashemi: it's in the menu bar

anonymous morphed into Chris Welty

Doug Foxvog: To un-mute, press "*7" ... To mute, press "*6"

Chris Welty: hello boys and girls

Ali Hashemi: And for the slides, remember to refresh this page:

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_01_12

Simon Spero: Are slide decks 5 and 8 not there yet?

Peter P. Yim: @simon: hang on ... they will soon be uploaded

anonymous1 morphed into MariaTeresaBiagetti

Rex Brooks: I'm not on the phone yet--in another meeting for next half hour.

anonymous morphed into Eric Little

Dalia Varanka morphed into Dalia Varanka

Chris Welty: 10 years of Ontolog - credit mainly to Peter, congrats!

Peter P. Yim: thank you, Chris.

Chris Welty morphed into a TV star

Steve Ray: Cute.

Steve Ray: 5 years, yes.

Ram D. Sriram: Peter: Was the presentation on Siri in Feb 2010 or Feb 2011?

Peter P. Yim: @Ram - the Siri presentation was in Feb-2010 - see:

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2010_02_25 ... in fact, after the Apr-2010

Apple acquisition, they have not been presenting their technology to the public much at all

RosarioUcedaSosa: I have problems accessing Sri's slides... everybody else's connection to the

server is ok?

Steve Ray: [a portion, relating to internal architecture of] the slides supporting the Siri talk were

not stored, by request of Adam Cheyer and TomGruber. There was some proprietary information there.

Steve Ray: Ah, confusion between Sri (aka Sriram) and Siri, as in TomGruber's talk years ago.

Simon Spero: Applying results of last years summit to use cases?

Joel Bender: What is "large"?

Ali Hashemi: @Rosario - it took a while to load for me to. If you are having tuoble with the slides

you can also try the vnc I believe: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/

RosarioUcedaSosa: Got it restored now. Thx

a TV star morphed into Chris Welty

Doug Foxvog: The slides are not being advanced.

anonymous1 morphed into Christopher Spottiswoode

Simon Spero: Are we getting in to the space of Translational Medicine?

Chris Welty: who is the person talking?

Ali Hashemi: George Strawn

anonymous2 morphed into Frank Olken

RosarioUcedaSosa: Seems to me that the first three tracks and the fourth track are just two

dimensions (system-based vs domain-based) of the problem.

Nicola Guarino: @Rosario: indeed track 4 is orthogonal wrt the first three tracks. Some people

thought it was useful to have a track explicitly focusing on applications

Rex Brooks: Its a bit odd that I don't have time to work on this year's summit because I'm working on

some big systems, though at the ground level getting the terms and datatypes entered for emergency

management systems so that larger convergences will be possible among international as well as

national, state and local levels of jurisdiction. So I will probably be intermittent, and looking to

learn more than contribute.

Simon Spero: Big Data Management and Big Data interpretation are very, very different beasts

Nicola Guarino: @Simon: Yes, indeed I expect the focus will be manly on interpretation

Amanda Vizedom: It's also worth noting that the fourth listed track, "Large-scale domain

applications," lists some topics that meet the "domain applications" description, and some topics

that are not really domain applications but rather analytics and/or implementation views on big

systems (e.g., net-centricity, socio-technical aspects of large systems).

Nicola Guarino: @Amanda: Yes, indeed some of these keywords need to be adjusted, clarified or

possibly deleted. This will be part of future work. We wanted just to be as inclusive as possible

for the time being

Simon Spero: @Nicola - there's a lot of places where 'ontology of ' and 'ontology for ' are fighting

Bart Gajderowicz: @AmandaVizedom- it may mean domain-specific applications, verses architecture

related issues

Amanda Vizedom: @BartGajderowicz: yes, I agree. My comment was meant to point out that some

non-domain-specific things had snuck in there.

RosarioUcedaSosa: I mentioned the two-dimensional structure because it may help us identify the key

issues in these systems. My colleague Bob Schloss and I have been working on ontologies for Smarter

cities and we've found challenges at the three tracks that you specify, including the fact that an

ontology for Smart Cities is an 'integrating' ontology, versus a normative/prescriptive model, like

in other domains. The point is that different domains may require a different approach to ontology

design.

Ali Hashemi: Rosario, I believe there will also be a preliminary session where we explore various

interpretations of big systems. In the course of these discussions, I suspect the different required

approaches will be articulated.

Amanda Vizedom: There is a lot of variety in how we all view the topics, issues, and distinctions.

Among our first challenges is to come to agree on a good-enough selection of tracks/foci with which

to organize the content and process. I think that we all understand that the result is imperfect and

has some arbitrariness to it, but the settlement and focus are necessary, especially with Summit

topic that is so broad. Thank, Nicola and Leo, for setting a starting structure.

Nicola Guarino: @Simon: In many cases we need both: we need "ontology of" in order to have "ontology

for"...

Simon Spero: @Nicola Total agreement

RosarioUcedaSosa: I'd be very interested in following/participating.

Chris Welty: Rosario: we generally take "domain" to mean the general subject area of the ontology

content. I think you mean the way the ontology is used will/may require a different approach

anonymous1 morphed into Nancy Grady

Amanda Vizedom: On the topic of spreading the word: twitter hashtag is #ontologysummit2012.

Arun Majumdar: General Comment: one area of challenge to me is the model based, versus

data-engineering and ontology based methodologies --- I see these in my current moderate data

problems and can envision the problem is of importance to big data. For example, models have

implicit ontologies but many ontologies are themselves implicitly models while in other cases data

or information engineering has its own ontological and model commitments that are often never made

explicit. I would be very keen to see any intersections that include model-based, ontology-based and

data-engineering driven big data ontology approach (itself, of course, being an ontology for such).

Todd Schneider: Arun, these subjects and their relations should be covered in the Large-Scale Systems

Engineering track

Arun Majumdar: Thanks Todd

Arun Majumdar: @Todd - thanks

Arun Majumdar: @Todd - let's communicate more on this: I am very keen on this.

Todd Schneider: Arun, definitely.

Arun Majumdar: @Todd - thanks, will do

Amanda Vizedom: @Arun: IME, the issues you raise are especially strong in Federated systems and

interoperability-focused projects. This is also an area that has been suggested for one or more

sessions (primarily by Cory Casanave, though it looks like he is not on today).

Simon Spero: Administrivia Q: During the summit, there was a shared google doc editing setup. That

seemed to work well, and might work well earlier in the process

Simon Spero: Is it still there?

Peter P. Yim: @SimonSpero - ref. use of google-docs - good point; let's make sure the communique lead

editors, or even the track champions take that into consideration

anonymous1 morphed into Kurt Conrad

Amanda Vizedom: @Rosario: Regarding the challenges you've encountered in your Smarter cities work: I

wouldn't call those issues domain-specific; they appear in many domains. They are, however, related

to the type of project in a variety of ways orthogonal to domain: e.g. the functions of the system,

the uses it must support, the resources available, the technical and policy requirements that may

apply, the level of complexity, etc...

RosarioUcedaSosa: @Amanda: Agree. I meant that there are several basic parameters that focus the

functionality and structure of the ontology

RosarioUcedaSosa: @Amanda: Identifying these issues would be very useful.

Simon Spero: @Rosario++

Todd Schneider: Rosario, what your addressing is the architecture for the use of ontologies and

semantic technologies.

RosarioUcedaSosa: @Todd: Yes.

Bob Schloss: I am still not sure how the various scheduled teleconferences will be used. Will each

one include only 1 of the 4 tracks? Will a schedule be placed on the ontolog website sometime in the

next week or two?

GaryBergCross: Two dates were listed as possible for the Summit. How will final dates be decided and

when will that be?

Frank Olken: Regarding possible dates for the face-to-face meeting please note that Data Engineering

Conference will be in DC the first week of April, and the SIAM Data Mining meeting will be April

26-28 in Anaheim, Calif. I tend to favor the later dates for the face to face April 23-24.

Arun Majumdar: I prefer April 23-24 also

GaryBergCross: I prefer April 23-24 also. There is a Wherecon during the earlier week in April

(12-13).

Ali Hashemi: Folks, I've got to run. Thanks to all for the effort.

Nicola Guarino: @Ali: thanks for your contributions, Ali

Nicola Guarino: For the record, I encourage all those who are making oral questions or comments to

also write them down on the chat

Joel Bender: @Rosario : please post your call for participation for that topic to the list

RosarioUcedaSosa: @Joel: This is what I propose: to spell out the usability issues for the ontology

consumers (end/business users) in some of these domains.

RosarioUcedaSosa: @Nicola/@Joel: Which list? this chat?

Bob Schloss: @Rosario -- [ontology-summit] mailing list archives -

http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/ (31H1) To subscribe to this discussion list: send a

blank message from your subscribing email address to <ontology-summit-join@ontolog.cim3.net> or

visit http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontology-summit/ and subscribe yourself there

Joanne Luciano: have to leave now. thanks everyone! Looking forward to this summit.

Doug Foxvog: The three levels of ontologizing being discussed seem to be

  • ontology of development of ontologies
  • ontology of the use of ontologies, and
  • ontology of domain

Amanda Vizedom: @Rosario: Indeed! Have you seen the start that was made in this direction during last

year's summit ( http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2011_Communique )? That is

just a start, but a useful one. Developing it further and building support for it is something a

number of us have been looking for opportunities/means to pursue.

RosarioUcedaSosa: @Amanda: No, but I'll take a look at that. In the case of complex systems, the

notion of an ontology consumer becomes key.

Peter P. Yim: @JackRing - can you re-post the message that you just typed into the "queue" box, please

Matthew West: I have to leave now. Looks like we have a flying start.

Arun Majumdar: Bye All - I have to leave also.

Todd Schneider: Doug, your distinctions would be represented in the architecture I mentioned earlier.

Frank Olken: Peter, The instructions for joining the teleconference via Skype were unclear - what

Skype ID? I used regular phone, but would prefer to use skype in the future.

Peter P. Yim: @Frank, if you use skype, all you need to do is to skype the user by the

skypeID:"joinconference" ... one way to do that is to just paste "joinconference" (without the " ")

into the dial-command-line (where you would usually type in the phone number) then you will be

prompted to key in a ConferenceID or the PIN ... the challenge for some is that in the latest skype

software, the dial-pad is somewhat hidden ... and hence my earlier comment: Can't find Skype Dial

pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad"

Amanda Vizedom: @Rosario: I couldn't agree more. And it is often overlooked that the ontologies in

these cases need to be understandable by both machines and humans, often both as part of the

system's processes and as external consumers.

RosarioUcedaSosa: @Amanda: Absolutely. Usability is not a 'topic' but a dimension that should be

spelled out every time we discuss a domain.

Maria Keet: on data mining, there is the e-LICO project http://www.e-lico.eu ... as a response on

Nicolas note on looking for people who work on data mining

Maria Keet: I'm calling in with the number. I just wanted to illustrate the e-LICO project, which

extends semantic scientific workflows with data mining ontologies and domain ontologies

Bob Schloss: I think we would do well to be clear about the "use cases" associated with the

ontology-consumer role that @Rosario is bringing up. One use case is "become familiar with what the

scope of the ontology is" -- put information into the person's head. Another use case is "be able to

prepare to contribute information to the ontology conforming with its current structure and sets of

types/classes/concepts". Another use case is "extend the set of

concepts/types/classes/associative-relationships which are initially present in the ontology, for

contributing my own information and for hoped for use by others", etc. etc. Each of these has sub

use cases -- "search" "visualization" "navigation" etc etc.

Giancarlo Guizzardi: In the process of engineering Large-Scale complex system we will have the

situation in which multiple languages, methods and tools will have to co-exist and be integrated.

Traditionally, in systems engineering, there has been for years a trend towards different

manifestations of model-based approaches to address this issue. An important issue to be emphasized

is that language (method) integration is a semantic interoperability problem it is about the

semantic interoperation of models which happen to be language (method) metamodels.

Frank Olken: @SteveRay, I am still interested in Smart Grids.

Steve Ray: @FrankOlken: Was that you on the phone expressing interest in smart grid? I didn't catch

who was talking. [ppy: believe that was JoelBender]

Todd Schneider: Giancarlo, I would hope the summit would take a forward looking approach (i.e., the

to-be state) and look past current practices and tools: Where do we think we can be.

Giancarlo Guizzardi: @ToddSchneider: Sure. What I mentioned there is forward thinking. We are far

from mastering the issue of semantic interoperability of multiple languages and models that have to

co-exist in complex engineering projects. don't you agree?

DeborahMacPherson: Interested in volunteering for the Large-Scale Domain Applications Track

RosarioUcedaSosa: I volunteer for the domain Smart Cities and E-Government, if anybody else is

interested (in any capacity)

Giancarlo Guizzardi: btw, a very relevant initiative in this respect is OMG's Semantic Information

Modeling for Federation:

http://www.omgwiki.org/architecture-ecosystem/doku.php?id=semantic_information_modeling_for_federation_rfp

Amanda Vizedom: @BobS: In fact, I'd argue that one of the challenges of Large, especially but not

only federated, systems, is that all of these use cases have to be supported along with many others.

I wonder whether it would make sense to build a use case that is typical of such complex cases, and

a composite of individual cases we collectively have worked on (avoiding issues of publishing

descriptions of any particular organization's workings). Such a use case would be a really Big Use

Case, and get at so many of the different issues. It might make a good basis for a Grand Challenge?

RosarioUcedaSosa: Yes, maybe a Smarter City is a concrete/accessible example?

Nicola Guarino: @Rosario: Do you have a specific smarter city project to consider as a case study?

Ali Hashemi: I'm back ... My other meeting was cancelled.

Todd Schneider: Giancarlo, my view is that an ontology is a/the model and we need to provide a way to

make these pervasive in the engineering process. Most current engineering tools and there embedded

and non-explicit semantics make them an impediment.

Giancarlo Guizzardi: @ToddSchneider: Agree w.r.t. existing tools and even languages lacking explicit

semantics

Todd Schneider: How about government as a complex system?

Simon Spero: @Todd: chaotic?

anonymous1 morphed into Brand Niemann

Nicola Guarino: Speaking of media, let me remind everybody the twitter hashtag suggested by Amanda:

  1. ontologysummit2012

Maria Keet: @Giancarlo: there's an initiative for standardising dealing with multiple ontology

languages in one system (ISO's wg on OntoIOp) and the Hets tool system

Giancarlo Guizzardi: @MariaKeet: thanks, I will take a look. However, I don't mean (only) multiple

ontology languages. I mean multiple system engineering languages in general.

Simon Spero: @Todd: the life of the law is experience, not logic.

Frank Olken: Nicola, May I suggest the possibility of shortening the hash tag to #ontosummit2012 ? It

would save typing (and space).

Amanda Vizedom: @Nicola @Frank: actually, I'm passing along the "official" hashtag, as seen on summit

home page. I would have gone for something shorter, but I lost that argument a couple of summits

ago. So, #ontologysummit2012 it is!

Brand Niemann: I will write story (s) about this in AOL Government if you would like. See

http://gov.aol.com/bloggers/brand-niemann/

Ali Hashemi: @Brand, yes please!

Bart Gajderowicz: @GiancarloGuizzardi: just to make the distinction between big-data and big-systems:

in terms of big data, associating data with ontologies would help with semantic integration and

interoperability.. if the meta-models are modelling DB record instances. This is not the case with

meta-models of work-flows and processes.

Giancarlo Guizzardi: @BartGajderowicz: Foundational Ontologies can play a fundamental role in

language interoperability

Giancarlo Guizzardi: for instance, typically in these scenarios, we will have multiple process

modeling languages, data modeling languages, goal modeling languages, etc...

Giancarlo Guizzardi: How do the modeling primitives in one process language relate to the primitives

in other languages? How do process primitives in different languages relate to goal modeling

primitives in different goal languages etc...?

Bart Gajderowicz: @GiancarloGuizzardi: absolutely agree

Todd Schneider: How about the creation of legislation as a complex system?

Simon Spero: @todd : http://www.springerlink.com/content/100239/ (Artificial Intelligence and Law )

Todd Schneider: Simon, great. My sister is lawyer and usually discounts work in this direction.

Simon Spero: @Todd Oy, my sister is a lawyer.

Ali Hashemi: @Todd, we're looking at that for our company as well. @Simon, law ontologies have come a

loooong way from there :D

Nicola Guarino: As an example of a BIG project (proposal) concerning big systems, have a look at

http://www.futurict.eu (still a proposal, though, although ranked first in a preliminary selection

Joel Bender: Thank you all!

Steve Ray: Great start!

Peter P. Yim: great session!

RosarioUcedaSosa: This was great. Thanks!

Maria Keet: thanks all, bye!

Giancarlo Guizzardi: great discussion. I have to leave now but hope we can resume this in one of the

sessions. bye to all and thanks.

Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 11:24am PST --

-- end of in-session chat-transcript --

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  • RSVP to peter.yim@cim3.com appreciated, ... or simply just by adding yourself to the "Expected Attendee" list below (if you are a member of the team.)
  • Please note that this session may be recorded, and if so, the audio archive is expected to be made available as open content, along with the proceedings of the call to our community membership and the public at-large under our prevailing open IPR policy.

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