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Ontology Summit 2012: Session-03 - Thu 2012-01-26
Summit Theme: OntologySummit2012: "Ontology for Big Systems"
Track (1&2) Title: Ontology for Big Systems & Systems Engineering
Session Topic: Ontology for Big Systems & Systems Engineering - I : The Systems and Systems Engineering Problem Space
Session Chair: Dr. MatthewWest ... intro-slides
Panel Briefings:
- Mr. JackRing (OntoPilot, US) - "Toward a Unified Ontology for Systemists" - slides
- Mr. AnatolyLevenchuk ([[TechInvestLab]], RU) - "Ontology Engineering for Systems Engineering" - slides
- Professor GiancarloGuizzardi (Federal University of Espírito Santo, BR) - "An Engineering Approach to Ontology Engineering in Complex Environments: the role of Foundational Theories and Ontological Patterns" - slides
- Dr. MatthewWest (Information Junction, UK) - "Model-based System Engineering" - slides
Archives
- Abstract
- Agenda
- Prepared presentation material (slides) can be accessed by clicking on each of the title links below:
- [ 0-Chair ] . [ 1-Ring ] . [ 2-Levenchuk ] . [ 3-Guizzardi ] . [ 4-West (pdf) ]
- Audio recording of the session [ 1:50:39 ; mp3 ; 12.67 MB ]
- transcript of the online chat during the session
- Additional Resources
Abstract
Ontology for Big Systems & Systems Engineering - I: The Systems and Systems Engineering Problem Space
This is our 7th Ontology Summit, a joint initiative by NIST, Ontolog, NCOR, NCBO, IAOA & NCO_NITRD with the support of our co-sponsors. The theme adopted for this Ontology Summit is: "Ontology for Big Systems." The event today is our 3rd virtual session.
The principal goal of the summit is to bring together and foster collaboration between the ontology community, systems community, and stakeholders of some of "big systems." Together, the summit participants will exchange ideas on how ontological analysis and ontology engineering might make a difference, when applied in these "big systems." We will aim towards producing a series of recommendations describing how ontologies can create an impact; as well as providing illustrations where these techniques have been, or could be, applied in domains such as bioinformatics, electronic health records, intelligence, the smart electrical grid, manufacturing and supply chains, earth and environmental, e-science, cyberphysical systems and e-government. As is traditional with the Ontology Summit series, the results will be captured in the form of a communiqué, with expanded supporting material provided on the web.
This "Ontology for Big Systems & Systems Engineering" Track aims to bring key challenges to light with large-scale systems and systems of systems for ontology and identify where solutions exist, where the problems require significant research, and where we can work towards solutions as part of this summit. The areas to be considered include:
- working with and integrating the results of models using multiple modeling languages
- the systems lifecycle and the issues of sharing data within and between lifecycle stages
- the difference between requirements and the delivered system
- systems of systems vs systems,
- the nature of system components and the difference between these and the parts installed,
- the connections between system components and what they carry,
- systems behaviour,
- federated systems both as a bit system, and as a solution to some of the challenges,
- principles of how to construct good quality reusable models (ontologies)
- the management of ontologies of and for large systems and the challenges in developing and maintaining them.
In this session we want to look at the problems in big systems and systems engineering where ontology has a role to play. The aim is to uncover the various areas where challenges exist that the world of ontology can contribute to, which we will delve into in the next panel session.
More details about this Summit at: OntologySummit2012 (home page for the summit)
Agenda
Ontology Summit 2012 - Panel Session-03
- Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call
- 1. Opening (chairs) - Matthew West [5 min.] ... [ slides ]
- 2. Panel briefings - Jack Ring, Anatoly Levenchuk, Giancarlo Guizzardi, Matthew West - [15 min. each]
- 3. Q & A and open discussion [All: ~30 min.] -- please refer to process above
- 4. Wrap-up / Announcements - (chairs)
Proceedings
Please refer to the above
IM Chat Transcript captured during the session
see raw transcript here.
(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)
Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.
-- begin in-session chat-transcript --
Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the
Ontology Summit 2012: Session-03 - Thu 2012-01-26
Summit Theme: Ontology Summit 2012: "Ontology for Big Systems"
Track (1&2) Title: Ontology for Big Systems & Systems Engineering
Session Topic: Ontology for Big Systems & Systems Engineering - I :
The Systems and Systems Engineering Problem Space
Session Chairs: Dr. Matthew West
Panel Briefings:
- Mr. Jack Ring (OntoPilot, US) - "Toward a Unified Ontology for Systemists"
- Mr. Anatoly Levenchuk ([[TechInvestLab]], RU) - "Ontology Engineering for Systems Engineering"
- Professor Giancarlo Guizzardi (Federal University of Espírito Santo, BR)
- "An Engineering Approach to Ontology Engineering in Complex Environments:
the role of Foundational Theories and Ontological Patterns"
- Dr. Matthew West (Information Junction, UK) - "Model-based System Engineering"
Session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_01_26
Mute control: *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute
Can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad"
Proceedings:
anonymous morphed into Tom Tinsley
anonymous2 morphed into Tim Darr
anonymous3 morphed into Matt Hettinger
anonymous2 morphed into Roger Burkhart
Leo Obrst: Hi, all!
anonymous1 morphed into Christopher Spottiswoode
anonymous1 morphed into Nicola Guarino
anonymous1 morphed into Doug Foxvog
anonymous morphed into Joseph Simpson
anonymous2 morphed into Ernani Santos
anonymous morphed into Reginald Ford
anonymous morphed into Anatoly Levenchuk
JoelBender-1 morphed into Joel Bender
Nicola Guarino: Note that if you are using Skype you HAVE to call the nickname "joinconference".
Otherwise if you call a telephone number with Skype you cannot unmute yourself (this is what I
discovered)
Jack Ring: I am unmuted and speaking
Jack Ring: I am on Skype
Peter P. Yim: @Nicola - my experience with skype is that you *can* do the mute/unmute with the "dial
pad" (under the "call" dropdown menu) .. .amybe we are running different versions of skype ... they
are definitely running different revision levels of their software depending on what platform -
linux, mac, pc, ipad, etc. you are on
Cory Casanave: Skype "joinconference" does not seem to have a way to enter the conference code - no keypad.
Peter P. Yim: @Cory - can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad"
Cory Casanave: It seems to work ok dialing the phone #
Jack Ring presents ...
Doug Foxvog: [ref. JackRing's presentation - slide#4] Why should simply adding cognates migrate a
system from being deterministic to being non-deterministic?
Cory Casanave: [ref. ?? in JackRing's presentation] Sounds similar to "SEMAT" (Software Engineering
Method and Theory) http://www.semat.org started by Ivar Jacobson
Leo Obrst: [ref. JackRing's presentation] What is "POSIWID"? On slide 3.
Ali Hashemi: "The purpose of a system is what it does"
Matthew West: @Leo: Purpose Of System Is What It Does
Ali Hashemi: cf - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_what_it_does
Nicola Guarino: @Ali & Matthew: what it does or what it is intended to do?
Ali Hashemi: (if you follow the wiki link, it provides a very high level overview)
Matthew West: What it does!
Anatoly Levenchuk: Purpose of a system what is does (what service it have) as a subsystem in upper
level system.
Joel Bender: @Nicola - what is does, maybe not very well
Nicola Guarino: @Joel: hmmm....
Nicola Guarino: Is a broken system a system?
Anatoly Levenchuk: @Nicola -- Yes, there is life cycle. Broken system on maintenance stage of it life
cycle.
Anatoly Levenchuk: When we speak about what it does, that usually mean operation stage of it life
cycle. And enactment of it service at this stage.
Cory Casanave: Also, this may be applicable to: OMG RFP "A Foundation for the Agile Creation and
Enactment of Software Engineering Methods"
Anatoly Levenchuk: @Cory: I prefer ISO 24744 instead of this OMG RFP. It more ontologically correct.
Cory Casanave: How can a request be correct or not? It would be the response that would be correct.
Nicola Guarino: @Jack: I don't understand the comparison between formal ontology and an algorithm
Leo Obrst: I don't think there is a 1-1 relation between an ontology and an algorithm.
Cory Casanave: @Leo - Agree
Leo Obrst: Oops: same question, Nicola.
Ali Hashemi: An algorithm could represent an implemented and operational ontology given some
inference rules.
Ali Hashemi: could represent --> is analogous*
Nicola Guarino: formal ontology is a discipline
Ali Hashemi: @Nicola - Jack's formulation was "situated ontology"
Ali Hashemi: An algorithm represents the commitment of the programmers to what they believe exists in
the scope of its execution. If the procedures within the program further represent operations and
transformations (constraints on what is assumed to exist), then an algorithm can viewed as an
operational ontology under some inference rules, no? (informal, implicit ontology)
GaryBergCross: On the ontology - algorithm front, one could create an ontology to represent an
algorithm as a process, as I believe that John F. Sowa has pointed to.
Leo Obrst: An algorithm, by definition, specifies "how", whereas an ontology (like logic) specifies
"what". I think that the algorithm must closely correspond to the semantics expressed by the
ontology(ies), which indeed is hard to accomplish. Perhaps generating an algorithm from the
semantics is the way to go, but of course is very hard.
Ali Hashemi: @Leo, one quick point.. In specifying the "how" you (implicitly) commit to the what.
Nicola Guarino: @all: let's just list the problems now, devoting a few chat interactions to each,
otherwise we miss the whole picture presenters are trying to convey
GaryBergCross: With so many terms/concepts thrown around in the talk it would be nice to have
atop-level, context diagram for what Jack or others are proposing as this conceptual space.
Jack Ring: Which ontology? An ontology will be embedded in a system. Another will be embedded in the
SE human activity system. A third ontology will be embedded in the SE learning environment. In a
swarm of autonomous systems all three are inside the system.
Jack Ring: IN fact, one of the contributions of SE is to identify and resolve the gap between how
things are and what things should be. Beer's POSIWID must be revealed.
anonymous morphed into Line Pouchard
Anatoly Levenchuk presents ...
Nicola Guarino: @Anatoly: I appreciate very much the contrast between ontology engineering and
traditional mathematical tools
Matthew West: Yes, Engineers are generally interested in mathematical rather than logical models.
Giancarlo Guizzardi: @Matthew: the additional point is that they are frequently interested in
mathematical models which are insensitive to true ontological notions
Nicola Guarino: @Anatoly: just to understand, is a method a *way* to achieve a certain function (e.g.
cutting some materials by using lasers or scissors)
anonymous morphed into Evan Wallace
Matthew West: @Giancarlo: I agree with Ali on this. Mathematical models have implicit ontological
commitments. They may not be the ones that ontologists would wish them to make.
Nicola Guarino: @ Anatoly: very interesting distinction between counterintuitive and folk ontologies.
Still the objective in my opinion is being able to capture the actual language engineers use...
Matthew West: I think you will find Anatoly and I would disagree with you there. What is more
important is to have an ontology that is as acurate as possible to how things are, rather than to
accurately reflect how people talk about things.
Jack Ring: For example a software package Kollabnet prowls around in CAD files and extracts the terms
and operands, etc., then helps organize a cross reference (semantic web) that shows the
relationships and opportunities for parsimony.
Nicola Guarino: @Matthew: yes, but accuracy with respect to how things are is the goal of physics,
photography, and so on...
Leo Obrst: I still have an issue with "counterintuitive": perhaps it is naively counterintuitive, but
doesn't at least some of the ontology become intuitive to the expert?
Matthew West: @Nicola: And also ontology.
Ali Hashemi: @Leo, I think it raises an interesting question - how long does it take for
counter-intuitive insights to become common sense? (I think this is what Anatoly was emphasizing.)
Rex Brooks: Slide needs to be advanced.
Jack Ring: As Will Rogers said, it isn't what we don't know that hurts us, it is what we do know ---
that ain't so.
Ali Hashemi: And it does point to important human factors issues in creating a system with high
fidelity to reality, but also manageable for the end users.
Jack Ring: Any ontology must be vetted as fit for purpose.
Nicola Guarino: @Matthew: if we limit ourselves to describe (accurately) what things ARE we have no
way to express how we want to use them for specific purposes
Matthew West: @Ali: That is a good point. When I first came across 4D ontologies, I understood it,
but found it very difficult to put into words. These days I hope I can speak about it more or less
as it was an everyday idea. It takes time.
GaryBergCross: [ref. AnatolyLevenchuk's slide#8] What is formal pragmatics? Need more of a sense of
this and an example.
Ali Hashemi: I'm curious to know the response to Gary's question re "Formal Pragmatics"
Anatoly Levenchuk: Formal pragmatics -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_pragmatics
Martin Serrano: Bit elaboration on finding out Federation of systems and Information modeling will be
healthy to get into the real meaning.. True is Federation is more than a logic or instrumentation
for modelling methods,
Leo Obrst: @Anatoly: I agree that formal pragmatics (presuppositions, implicatures, speech acts,
etc.) is needed, i.e., interpretation of the semantics in context and with respect to use, although
I am not sure about Habermas and his "Universal Pragmatics". Also, epistemology must figure in:
different belief stances.
Anatoly Levenchuk: @Leo -- formal pragmatics (that is slightly after Universal Pragmatics that is
more philosophical by nature) is more about logic than linguistics. While my friends linguists
wonder that contemporary logic branch of it is differ from linguistic one, while inherit most of
terminology
Leo Obrst: @Anatoly: I am a linguist/semanticist originally and think of formal pragmatics mainly
from that perspective. In the ontology world, this is mostly addressed via formalized use cases,
competency questions, which I admit is really just the beginning.
Anatoly Levenchuk: @Leo -- formal pragmatics is branch of philosophical logic, ontology is another
branch. They are siblings on knowledge tree :-)
Matthew West: @Nicola: Intentions are also something we can talk about in terms of what they are.
Doug Foxvog: When you need knowledge at different levels of granularity, why not use different
ontologies for the different levels? Some ontologies would be far more stable than others.
Amanda Vizedom: Nicola: IME, one very significant division of ontology applications falls long
whether they (are required to) model (a) some slice of the world, (b) information artifacts about
some slice of the world, or (c) both. In all three cases, the ontology models the thing, support
reasoning about the thing, and supports manipulation of the thing in various ways and degrees. IMHO,
a great many cases are of type (c), but developers think in terms of modeling (a) or (b), and not
always the right one, and different requirements and methods fit those two objects.
Jack Ring: The ontology of units of measure is traceable to standards and basic science. It can be
considered 'truth' at least to earth-bound users. In contrast the term "vigorously" in an ontology
is moderated by situation (we must accommodate Zadeh's fuzzy logic).
Doug Foxvog: If you can model a heuristic, you can ontologize it. If you can't define the heuristic,
then you can't ontologize it.
Matthew West: @Jack: Actually the ontology of units is surprisingly shakey. It turns out that the
standards can be interpreted (deliberately) in more than one way to avoid significant differences of
opinion aboiut what units are and how they are used. Fortunately no buildings will fall down as a
result of these differences.
Ali Hashemi: @Nicola, I would suggest those are two distinct issues. What we want (intention), vs
perhaps common but inaccurate views of the system. I suspect Anatoly's point emphasizing
counter-intuitive-ness is about the latter.
Leo Obrst: @Anatoly: Category theory indeed is focused on structure, as opposed to set theory, and
provides you ways of relating structures more generally, but multiple logics (and both their
syntaxes and semantics) can be represented. Perhaps that is what you mean?
Jack Ring: Anatoly: Is TRIZ an ontology?
Nicola Guarino: Nice idea of extending enterprise service bus to systems engineering
Nicola Guarino: (but I would drop the "smart" adjective, too many smart things are being advertised
nowadays...)
Jack Ring: Matthew: Whether buildings fall down the fact was that a spacecraft crashed on MARS.
Matthew West: @Jack: that was simply not using the same units in different system. A much simpler
problem (ontologically) than what a unit of measure is in the first place.
Jack Ring: Matthew West: Not different system. It was using an attribute value in one program that was
expecting the number to be in the English system but was given a number in the metric system. An
ontology spanning both systems would have noted the difference
Jack Ring: @Matthew: The human mind cannot discriminate reality from illusion. Takes two the
untangle.
Evan Wallace: Jack: I think that Matthew's point was that it wasn't an understanding of the notion
"unit" that was a problem, but rather false assumptions about which units were being used. Yes.
These sorts of false assumptions happen when you don't make units an explicit part of your model. So
many would agree that there is value in defining and using an ontology of quantities, units, and
measures, but the problem that Matthew mentioned about the ambiguity of the references for these
things makes it more difficult to get consensus on *one* such ontology.
Jack Ring: @Evan. Not quite. The error was in not addressing units in the design model. The
presumption "...false assumptions about which units were being used" is not correct because there
was not consciousness of 'which' anonymous morphed into Victor Agroskin
Matthew West: Welcome Victor
Leo Obrst: @Jack: I think TRIZ could be formalized as an ontology.
Jack Ring: @Leo, I tried to do this in 1992 with RDD-100 Software Engineering tool but got swamped
with other tasks.
Jack Ring: SE must presume that two or more people constructed the system model and that they did not
have a coherent weltanschaaung or even lexicon. Also, that Model(x) of one system and Model(y) of
another system must be harmonized if you intend to make these subsystems of a third system.
Matthew West: @Jack: Why more than one?
Victor Agroskin: Some ontology can be deduced from TRIZ. But the major value of TRIZ is a method,
thus you have to choose some method ontology (like ISO 24744) and combine it with domain ontology -
if you want to have a formal model of TRIZ.
Giancarlo Guizzardi presents ...
Peter P. Yim: @Giancarlo - when you get a chance, please supply me with a slide deck on which slide are
numbered (so I can swap it in). Thanks.
Jack Ring: Giancarlo's patterns are equivalent to my modularizations.
Matthew West: @Jack: That is a good link to make.
Cory Casanave: The use case being presented by Giancarlo is the subject of an OMG RFP:
http://www.omg.org/cgi-bin/doc?ad/11-12-10, of which Giancarlo is a participant.
GaryBergCross: Agree on the point of conceptual models being improved by by formal ontology
distinctions.
Jack Ring: Isn't this Panel scrubbing concepts into a 'formal' ontology?
Matthew West: @Jack: So if I am on a desert island, I don't know if it is real or a dream?
Cory Casanave: @Matthew, perhaps some people have more trouble with reality
Doug Foxvog: @Matthew: If you think you are on a desert island, it may be real, a dream, or some
other misconception.
Jack Ring: @MatthewWest. We have been over this before. Pls explain why witnesses to an event
describe it differently. Pls explain why design reviews of system concepts always find fundamental
logic or referent errors.
Nicola Guarino: @Giancarlo: distinguishing modeling patterns from analysis patterns sounds intriguing
(and new), but I am not sure I understand what analysis patterns are, in practice
Jack Ring: @Giancarlo, For the enterprise ontology let's start with "objective" and "goal"
Nicola Guarino: I have to leave now, bye everybody. Great session!
GaryBergCross: Also have to leave now...
Christopher Spottiswoode: Bye from me too - thanks to all!
anonymous morphed into Reginald Ford
Leo Obrst: @Giancarlo and all: I've always found some confusion between domain specific languages and
ontologies. I personally think that ontologies need to provide the semantics for those DSLs, no?
Cory Casanave: Perhaps we should support "multiple inheritance" of track topics
Giancarlo Guizzardi: @Jack: these are very important and interesting notions. I have been interested
in them for a while myself and have done some work in that direction. If you are interested, I would
be happy to shared them with you
Cory Casanave: @Giancarlo, please post reference to the group & seminar you mentioned.
Giancarlo Guizzardi: @Leo: yes, fully agree. In the ideal case, the metamodel (representing the
worldview) behind a DSL should be isomorphic to the ideal domain ontology of the domain
Leo Obrst: Will design patterns, analysis patterns, etc., be ontological constructs (with rules)? Are
there as yet repositories for these?
Terry Longstreth: My principal concern about the combining of tracks 1 and 2 is the loss of
discussion of emergent behaviors (since they are in my opinion, by definition, un-engineered) We've
tried to finesse this question by expanding the notion of engineering to include any system with
sentient inputs into its manifestations, but that seems to be to be a copout.
Leo Obrst: @Todd: can you place your question in the chat room? So we have a textual record? Thanks!
Giancarlo Guizzardi: @Todd: if you are interested, I can send you the references to UFO.
Bobbin Teegarden: @Giancarlo, please send refs to UFO to all
Giancarlo Guizzardi: @BobbinTeegarden: The foundational work of the structural part of UFO can be
found in http://www.inf.ufes.br/~gguizzardi/OFSCM.pdf
Giancarlo Guizzardi: @BobbinTeegarden: this has been used as a foundational for the modeling language
which now has been dubbed OntoUML
Giancarlo Guizzardi: @BobbinTeegarden: parts of the Event and Social fragments of UFO can be found in
(analyzing the goal modeling extension of Archimate),
Bobbin Teegarden: @Giancarlo: Thank you, more on OntoUML?
Giancarlo Guizzardi: @BobbinTeegarden: the last one is an example of its use in analyzing a Software
Process Domain Ontology
Giancarlo Guizzardi: @BobbinTeegarden: Sorry for the delay...An approach based on OntoUML used at a
systems engineering department at the US DOD is described in
Giancarlo Guizzardi: @BobbinTeegarden: I will send more information in a second...
Giancarlo Guizzardi: @BobbinTeegarden: I have input a lot of information on specific parts of OntoUML
in the following OMG SIMF forum: http://www.omgwiki.org/architecture-ecosystem/doku.php?id=uml_based_data_modeling_for_an_enterprise_data_model
(see the lower part on discussions)
Peter P. Yim: @Matthew - please watch the clock
Matthew West: @Peter: Would it be better to drop my presentation in order ot make time for
discussion?
Peter P. Yim: @Matthew - that's a thought but, it would be your call ... picking up from next session
(with Henson presenting his bit is not a bad idea)
Matthew West: @Peter: Yes that makes sense. I have one story to tell, and I can do that on the list.
Peter P. Yim: @Matthew - since you cannot be with us next week, I definitely would want to hear your
portion of the presentation
DeborahMacPherson: Great presentations! No questions but fascinating presentations
Matthew West presents ...
Terry Longstreth: @Matthew - JPL = NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory?
Peter P. Yim: @TerryLongstreth - ref. the change of Track labeling should not affect the conversation
(at least not the way we have seen conversations direct themselves on the mailing lists all along)
... I think combining the tacks helps people who are confused as to what track their conversation
belonged to, in the first place
Doug Foxvog: @Henson: For the strange life of system components, an ontology could represent the
model of the system, the physical components that fill the roles of the different components of the
model, and temporary and permanent IDs for the physical components. With such an ontology, the
various aspects you referred to on slide 7 could be
Doug Foxvog: referenced and distinguished.
Line Pouchard: @everyone: I am collecting ontologies for units at present. If anyone would like to
send me links, I'd be happy to examine them. I'd like in particular ontologies of units in OWL or
that can me translated into OWL. Thanks
Line Pouchard: I forgot to say, you can mention them here or send me private email.
Peter P. Yim: @LinePouchard - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM
Line Pouchard: @Peter: thank you
Cory Casanave: @Line, OMG has adopted but not yet published a date/time ontology which includes
units. The ontology is expressed in OWL, UML and SBVR.
Line Pouchard: @Cory: do you have a time frame for when it's available?
Cory Casanave: @Line, very soon - I can provide the document which is being prepared for publication.
Cory Casanave: @Line, the lead on the date/time ontology is Mark Linehan, IBM: email: mlinehan at us dot ibm do com
Fabian Neuhaus: @Cory, Line the OMG date/time ontology also contains CLIF axioms
Cory Casanave: @Fabian, sorry for the omission?
Fabian Neuhaus: @ Cory, I just thought that I mention it since the CLIF axioms are probably better
suited to understand the underlying model than OWL
Cory Casanave: @Fabian, yes - the CLIF is very precise in date/time.
Doug Foxvog: @LinePouchard: http://forge.morfeo-project.org/wiki_en/index.php/Units_of_measurement_ontology#Measurement_Units_Ontology_.28MUO.29
Dickson Lukose: thank you!
Ali Hashemi: thank you all! take care.
Leo Obrst: Thanks, Matthew and all!
Dickson Lukose: bye
Giancarlo Guizzardi: Thanks a lot Peter, Henson and Matthew. very interesting discussions
Giancarlo Guizzardi: bye everyone
Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 11:33am PST --
-- end of in-session chat-transcript --
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Conference Call Details
- Date: Thursday, 26-Jan-2012
- Start Time: 9:30am PST / 12:30pm EST / 6:30pm CET / 17:30 UTC
- ref: World Clock
- Expected Call Duration: ~2.0 hours
- Dial-in:
- Phone (US): +1 (206) 402-0100 ... (long distance cost may apply)
- ... [ backup nbr: (415) 671-4335 ]
- when prompted enter PIN: 141184#
- Skype: joinconference (use the PIN above) ... generally free-of-charge, when connecting from your computer)
- for skype users who have trouble with finding the Skype Dial pad ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad"
- Phone (US): +1 (206) 402-0100 ... (long distance cost may apply)
- Shared-screen support (VNC session), if applicable, will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/
- view-only password: "ontolog"
- if you plan to be logging into this shared-screen option (which the speaker may be navigating), and you are not familiar with the process, please try to call in 5 minutes before the start of the session so that we can work out the connection logistics. Help on this will generally not be available once the presentation starts.
- people behind corporate firewalls may have difficulty accessing this. If that is the case, please download the slides above (where applicable) and running them locally. The speaker(s) will prompt you to advance the slides during the talk.
- In-session chat-room url: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/summit_20120126
- instructions: once you got access to the page, click on the "settings" button, and identify yourself (by modifying the Name field from "anonymous" to your real name, like "JaneDoe").
- You can indicate that you want to ask a question verbally by clicking on the "hand" button, and wait for the moderator to call on you; or, type and send your question into the chat window at the bottom of the screen.
- thanks to the soaphub.org folks, one can now use a jabber/xmpp client (e.g. gtalk) to join this chatroom. Just add the room as a buddy - (in our case here) ontolog_20120119@soaphub.org ... Handy for mobile devices!
- Discussions and Q & A:
- Nominally, when a presentation is in progress, the moderator will mute everyone, except for the speaker.
- To un-mute, press "*7" ... To mute, press "*6" (please mute your phone, especially if you are in a noisy surrounding, or if you are introducing noise, echoes, etc. into the conference line.)
- we will usually save all questions and discussions till after all presentations are through. You are encouraged to jot down questions onto the chat-area in the mean time (that way, they get documented; and you might even get some answers in the interim, through the chat.)
- During the Q&A / discussion segment (when everyone is muted), If you want to speak or have questions or remarks to make, please raise your hand (virtually) by clicking on the "hand button" (lower right) on the chat session page. You may speak when acknowledged by the session moderator (again, press "*7" on your phone to un-mute). Test your voice and introduce yourself first before proceeding with your remarks, please. (Please remember to click on the "hand button" again (to lower your hand) and press "*6" on your phone to mute yourself after you are done speaking.)
- Please review our Virtual Session Tips and Ground Rules - see: VirtualSpeakerSessionTips
- RSVP to peter.yim@cim3.com appreciated, ... or simply just by adding yourself to the "Expected Attendee" list below (if you are a member of the team.)
- This session, like all other Ontolog events, is open to the public. Information relating to this session is shared on this wiki page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_01_26
- Please note that this session may be recorded, and if so, the audio archive is expected to be made available as open content, along with the proceedings of the call to our community membership and the public at-large under our prevailing open IPR policy.
Attendees
- Attended: (and showed up in the chat room)
- Matthew West (chair)
- Henson Graves (phone only)
- Ali Hashemi
- Amanda Vizedom
- Anatoly Levenchuk (panelist)
- Bob Smith
- Bobbin Teegarden
- Bob Schloss
- Brian Davis
- Bruce Bray
- Christopher Spottiswoode
- Cory Casanave
- DeborahMacPherson
- Dickson Lukose
- Doug Foxvog
- Eric Chan
- Ernani Santos
- Ernie Lucier
- Evan Wallace
- Fabian Neuhaus
- Frank Olken
- GaryBergCross
- Giancarlo Guizzardi (panelist)
- Jack Ring (panelist)
- Joel Bender
- Joseph Simpson
- Kathy Ellis
- Leo Obrst
- Line Pouchard
- Martin Gladwell
- Martin Serrano
- Mary Brady
- Matt Hettinger
- Michael Grüninger
- Mike Bennett
- Mike Riben
- Nicola Guarino
- Nikolay Borgest
- Pavithra Kenjige
- Peter P. Yim
- Ram D. Sriram
- Ram Gouripeddi
- Reginald Ford
- Rex Brooks
- Roger Burkhart
- RosarioUcedaSosa
- Terry Longstreth
- Tim Darr
- Todd Schneider
- Tom Tinsley
- Victor Agroskin
- Those whom we were also expecting (who may have joined without announcing themselves or signing into the chat-room):
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- (please add yourself to the list if you are a member of the Ontolog or Ontology Summit community, or, rsvp to <peter.yim@cim3.com>)
- Regrets:
- Henson Graves (traveling, but will try to call in partially)
- Trish Whetzel
- Steve Ray
- David Price
- Murat Tanik
- SherriDeCoronado
- KhalilBenMohamed