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OpenOntologyRepository: "Revisiting the OOR Strategy and Tactics - II" Discussion Session - Tue 2013_06_18

Session Topic: OOR Strategy-IV: "Revisiting the OOR Strategy and Tactics - II" Discussion

Session Chair: PeterYim

This is a continuation of the "Revisiting the OOR Strategy & Tactics - I" session - ref.: OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_05_28

Conference Call Details

  • Date: Tuesday, 18-Jun-2013
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Agenda Ideas

  • continuation of the 2013.05.28 OOR strategy and tactics discussion
  • Consider "changes" - in our approach/organization/process
  • Renewed "focus"
    • action plans - short/medium term
    • action plans - medium/long term
    • review and update our OOR "Priorities & Most Critical Tasks At Hand" List
  • decide if we want to take Aug-2013 off too (like the Ontolog community)
  • possibly discuss and coordinate regular meeting time-slot arrangements among members
  • ... (add yours)

Agenda & Proceedings

Archives:

1. Meeting called to order:

  • Peter P. Yim took the chair and welcome everyone
  • Peter P. Yim volunteered to collate the notes, but urged everyone to capture their thoughts and document them on the chat board, as usual.
  • review and adopt agenda
  • Urgent items or quick announcements

2. Roll Call:

  • welcome and intro of new member(s) (if applicable)

3. Key discussion:

From the last (part-I) session ... please take a moment to review what has transpired (mainly for 3.1) - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_05_28#nid3TFH

  • 3.1 Get everyone's top "SWOT" insights (with a twist) for OOR
    • "Strength": one (or two) top "value" you are gaining that makes you think the time you put into OOR is worth it
    • "Weakness": if you had thought of quitting from OOR, what would have been the key reason(s)
    • "Opportunity": given what we have now, what is the one (or two) thing we can do that would allow OOR to make a huge (at least meaningful) impact
    • "Threat": if OOR would cease to be around in 1~5 years, what do you think would have been the most major cause?
  • 3.2 Consider "changes" - discussion
    • what are the things we "should not change"
    • changes to our "approach"
    • changes to our "organization"
    • changes to our "process"

most of the content below are inherited from the previous call(s), and will be edited/updated as this meeting progresses ...

  • 3.4 OOR session/program/event planning
    • Strategy series - "Revisiting OOR Strategy & Tactics" - co-chairs: Peter P. Yim & Mike Dean (?) - Tue 2013.05.28 (today!)
    • Hackathon series - "OOR-Ontohub API" - co-chairs: Till Mossakowski & Ken Baclawski - Tue 2013.06.25 (was: Jun-18) ... Gateekeper will be on the agenda of this session too
    • Metadata series - "Ontology Metadata for FIBO and related Ontologies" - Tue 2013.07.02 - co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & Mike Bennett
  • 3.5 Member activities updates - Review: members and OOR-related activities (list from 2013.05.21) ... (deferred discussion of this item)
    • OOR-sandbox status
    • code repository status
    • NCBO - BioPortal updates
    • NEU - Gatekeeper, ...
    • Raytheon-BBN - federation, ...
    • UToronto - COLORE
    • Ryerson (BartGajderowicz will join MichaelGruninger's team at U of Toronto soon)
    • Bremen - Ontohub
    • Mathet
    • SOCoP_INTEROP - SOCoP-OOR
    • DataONE
    • NeOn (KMi and STL)
    • ONKI
    • KBSI
    • MMI
    • Use Cases
    • Architecture
    • API
    • Metadata
    • Gatekeeping
    • production OOR instance
    • SIO
    • ICOM / DERI
    • content drive
    • Funding

4. Prior Discussions:

4.1 Discussion: tactically, what shall we be doing differently in the next 6 to 12 months

  • Focused discussion on the tactics and action plans that will help put the recently refined OOR Strategy in place
    • explore how we might possibly leverage

... to provide synergies for all.

4.2 Setting the metrics - what does "success" look like

4.3 Action planning for "content drive" (getting people to upload ontologies) ... (deferred discussion of this item)

  • (discussion 2011.05.06):
    • an adopted Architecture & API is definitely crucial, but that's not all
  • All team members are encouraged to mull over how we can get to that state effectively
    • in particular ... how do we make this a "successful" community-driven, open source project!?
  • (discussion 2011.08.07) ...
    • ref. IAOA Committee and SIG session at FOIS (2012.07.25) discussion:
      • IAOA Ontology Registry and Repository Committee to put focus on contents
      • getting FOIS papers to be submitted with cited ontologies and their metadata, and have those ontologies hosted on OOR
  • 4.5 OOR instances OOR: status update and coordination ... (deferred discussion of this item)
  • OOR: sandbox, devbox, test-instance, socop, colore, ontohub, ornl-daac, mmi-orr, new ncbo-appliance, ... status update and coordination
  • 4.6 Getting us to a stage when we can run a OOR-production box ... (deferred discussion of this item)
    • we need a gatekeeping/policy module in place - [KenBaclawski]

5. IM Chat Transcript captured during the session

see raw transcript here.

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --

Chat transcript from room: oor_20130618

2013-06-18 GMT-08:00 [PDT]

[8:26] Peter P. Yim: welcome to the

OpenOntologyRepository: "Revisiting the OOR Strategy and Tactics - II" Discussion Session - Tue 2013_06_18

session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_06_18

Attendees: Peter P. Yim (chair), Bob Smith, Ken Baclawski, Michael Grüninger, Till Mossakowski, Todd Schneider

Proceedings:

[8:30] Peter P. Yim: Hi Michael!

[8:30] Michael Grüninger: just connecting now ...

[8:30] Peter P. Yim: take your time

[8:37] Peter P. Yim: Hi Bob, Hi Till ...

[8:39] Bob Smith: (ref. casual discussion, that our focus today is on "what needs to change, in the

way we are proceeding with the OOR initiative") Peter - I appologize for not having an anwswer - BUT

do you have a "Business Case" for the "OOR - Go To Place for Ontology"?

[8:41] Bob Smith: NIST, Building & Fire under Mark Palmer, delivered 3 reports on the need for

interoperability (i.e. Ontology) in the Capital Building Industry...as part of a Business Case

motivation

[8:40] Peter P. Yim: == Session starts ...

[8:40] Peter P. Yim: currentattendees: Bob Smith, Michael Grüninger, Peter P. Yim, Till Mossakowski,

Todd Schneider

[8:41] Peter P. Yim: let's start at:

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_06_18#nid3U7D

[8:42] Peter P. Yim: (for the next 3 minutes) please read through where we got ourselves to, in last

session's SWOT analysis:

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_05_28#nid3TNP

[8:50] Peter P. Yim: == In the next few minutes, let's try to answer (please type in your view on: What

should we "change" and "not change" in the way the OOR initiative is being approached ...

[8:51] Todd Schneider: Are we addressing the correct problem (for the current time frame)?

[8:51] Bob Smith: No business case?

[8:52] Peter P. Yim: I think we should fundamentally change our approach ... and strive towards getting

a formidable Ontology Repository in place first before trying to tackle the more challenging

problems (like research problems) ... and, by "formidable" I mean the repository would actually hold

a lot (if not "most") of the ontologies people are looking for

[8:51] Michael Grüninger: I will reiterate my earlier point -- we should move to a bottom-up strategy

in which we address the OOR issues in the currently active projects (OntoHub, COLORE, ...), and then

come together to identify how we can best coordinate work, share ideas, and reuse implementations

[8:54] Till Mossakowski: I agree with Michael that after a more "top-down" approach we now should

become more "bottom-up"

[8:55] Bob Smith: Consider a group of 5-6 teams writing a standard and some believe that an ontology

based standard was a good idea...an Ontology Committee is created to develop coherent taxonomy

around the term Building Life Cycle Phases. A rough Statement of Work is developed. HOW MIGHT a well

formed OOR support this initiative? Somewhat like an REI Outdoors store - a variety of kinds of

reusable components and a life cycle like road map (From the 2013 Communique?)

[9:05] Todd Schneider: One advantage BioPortal has is a single domain that actively embraces

ontology. Should we focus on a single domain? For instance geospatial?

[9:05] Till Mossakowski: We actually want to build SpacePortal.org, for spatial ontologies

[9:06] Michael Grüninger: The key is to ensure that each of the ontology repository projects in OOR

are interoperable from the software perspective, uniform in the GUI, and they use a shared approach

to ontology metadata

[9:08] Michael Grüninger: Peter's idea: make oor.net to be an ontology registry, which then links to

the ontologies in the actual ontology repository where the ontology is described

[9:13] Michael Grüninger: In COLORE, we use colore.oor.net as the root URI for the ontologies

[9:14] Till Mossakowski: discussion of Ontohub URI scheme:

https://github.com/ontohub/ontohub/issues/172

[9:15] Till Mossakowski: look at http://www.co-ode.org/ontologies/pizza

[9:21] Till Mossakowski: we have several OOR related discussions at Ontohub.org. I will forward these

to the OOR mailing list

[9:21] Peter P. Yim: @Till - are you willing to go with ontonhub.oor.net in place of ontohub.org?

[9:22] Till Mossakowski: yes

[9:22] Peter P. Yim: thanks, Till

[9:24] Till Mossakowski: paper about Ontohub architecture:

http://informatik.uni-bremen.de/~till/ontohub.pdf

[9:25] Till Mossakowski: ^ontohub.oor.net

[9:35] Peter P. Yim: priority, should then be: metadata, API and gatekeeping

[9:43] Todd Schneider: Michael, as a design principle, avoid details until the last possible moment.

[9:47] Peter P. Yim: let's aim at getting these 3 top priorities addressed in the next 3 months

[9:48] Peter P. Yim: ... and then start addressing the content issue when these (metadata, API and

gatekeeping) are in place

[9:35] Till Mossakowski: sorry, have to leave now - I am already half an hour late for my next

meeting. Peter, Ken: could we let the OOR API session next week start at 10:00am EDT / 4:00pm CEST ?

[9:53] Todd Schneider: Have to go. Cheers.

[9:53] Bob Smith: Failed to load: http://www.co-ode.org/ontologies/pizza/2007/02/12/pizza.owl

[9:54] Peter P. Yim: [consensus] regular OOR meeting is now shifted (1.5 hours earlier than before) -

confcall times will be on Tuesdays 7:00am PDT / 10:00am EDT / 4:00 pm CEST / 1400 UTC

[9:56] Peter P. Yim: next meeting: "Ontohub-OOR-Gatekeeper API Hackathon" session - co-chairs:

Till Mossakowski & Ken Baclawski - Tue 2013.06.25 1.5~2.0 Hrs. starting 7:00am PDT / 10:00am EDT / 4:00 pm

CEST / 1400 UTC

[9:56] Peter P. Yim: very productive session!

[9:57] Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 9:54am PDT --

-- end in-session chat-transcript --

6. Action items:

  • there is general consensus we would change to a more bottom-up approach (rather than the "top-down" approach we have been taking) ...
    • we will encourage each oor node project to develop (colore, ontohub, socop, oor public instance, etc.) on their own, and coordinate the "team" effort through the use of a shared set of metadata, API and the UI (e.g. how people download (or even upload) ontologies, etc.)
    • The key is to ensure that each of the ontology repository projects in OOR are interoperable from the software perspective, uniform in the GUI, and they use a shared approach to ontology metadata
    • initially (prior to federation mechanisms being in place) we will make <oor.net> to be an ontology registry, which then links to the ontologies in the actual ontology repository where the ontology is described
    • actions will be focused on developing three things (hopefully within the next 3 months): the set of metadata, the API, and some shared thoughts on the UI
    • after that, we will focus on building up content with each OOR node tackling the domain(s) they are best with, and put in a concerted effort towards OOR adoption

7. Any Other Business:

  • decide if we want to take Aug-2013 off too (like the Ontolog community) ... (didn't get a chance to discuss this, will defer to the next meeting)
  • possibly discuss and coordinate regular meeting time-slot arrangements among members
    • confirmed we will move the meeting 1.5-Hrs earlier - regular call start-time (effective from the next meeting) will be: Tuesdays 7:00am PDT / 10:00am EDT / 4:00 pm CEST / 1400 UTC

8. Schedule Next Meeting & Adjourn:

  • Next Meetings:
    • a consensus is reached to move our regular Tuesday OOR session earlier, by 1.5 hours; therefore regular call start-time (until further modified) will be: Tuesdays 7:00am PDT / 10:00am EDT / 4:00 pm CEST / 1400 UTC
    • next Meeting Tue 2013_06_25 - the "OOR-Ontohub-Gatekeeper API" Hackathon Session will now be on Tue 2013.06.25 - co-chairs: Till Mossakowski & Ken Baclawski - note: starting 1.5-Hrs earlier (see above)
    • following that, we will have the OOR Metadata Workshop-VIII: "Metadata in Ontology Mapping" with FIBO as our use case - co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & Mike Bennett
    • ... please mark your calendars and make sure you can come!
  • Call adjourned at: 9:54 am PDT

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notes taken by: Peter P. Yim / 2013.06.18-6:39pm PDT

All participants, please review and edit to enhance accuracy and granularity of the documented proceedings.

Resources

  • the Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series:
    • 2011_10_20 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-1: Introducing the ISO NP 17347 "Ontology Integration and Interoperability (OntoIOp)" Standardization Effort - Co-chairs: John Bateman & Michael Grüninger - ConferenceCall_2011_10_20
    • 2011_11_03 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-2: Invited Speaker: Elisa Kendall on "Ontology-Related Metadata Standards" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2011_11_03
    • 2012_07_17 - Tuesday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-3: "Standardisation Coordination and Ontology Repositories" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2012_07_17
    • 2012_09_20 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-4: "Common Logic" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2012_09_20
  • the OOR-IPR mini-series:
    • 2010_09_09 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-1: an exposition on relevant IPR regimes - Keynote speaker: George Strawn - Chair: Peter P. Yim - Panelists: JamieClark, John Wilbanks, Bruce Perens - ConferenceCall_2010_09_09
    • 2010_09_16 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-2: what are the IPR issues relating to open ontology repositories (and ontologies in general)? - Chair: Mark Musen - Panelists: Cameron Ross, Alan Rector, John F. Sowa, Bruce Perens, John Wilbanks, Peter P. Yim - ConferenceCall_2010_09_16
    • 2010_09_30 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-3: discussion and consensus on licensing arrangements for the OOR Initiative, and positions we might take on related IPR issues - chair: Leo Obrst - Panelists: Peter P. Yim, Mike Dean, Bruce Perens, JamieClark - ConferenceCall_2010_09_30



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